To point out the absurdity of this study using only 31 users with varying degrees of other types of drug use, as well as measuring some highly subjective metric, let me offer some purely anecdotal evidence that has a bigger sample size. I can name more than 31 rappers (try me) that have heavy, long-term cannabis use that have fast "speech timing", high "vocal quality", and low "vocal effort" compared to the general population.
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#22Could it have anything to do with subcultural differences among cannabis users and not deleterious physical effects of consumption?
Just seeing the headline, my first thought was, "NEWS FLASH: recreational cannabis users 30% more likely to say 'dude'!"
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#23The way America’s legalization effort has progressed has been really unfortunate. It seems as though no attempt at finding a middle ground was made, and consequently we wound up with complete legalization. Marijuana is an addictive highly potent mood altering substance that’s become available on demand with no real discussion about the consequences. Will anyone argue that having 15% of the otherwise young and product…
I think our ability to evolve, adapt, invent, and assimilate will keep us ahead of the game longer than others might, though eventually it will lose efficacy. The Chinese government is too genocidal, militaristic, and authoritarian to permit the same broad range of innovation as exists...basically everywhere else (including Russia). China will only continue to advance as long as the rest of the world permits their technology thievery and genocidal empire building to continue.
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#24To point out the absurdity of this study using only 31 users with varying degrees of other types of drug use, as well as measuring some highly subjective metric, let me offer some purely anecdotal evidence that has a bigger sample size. I can name more than 31 rappers (try me) that have heavy, long-term cannabis use that have fast "speech timing", high "vocal quality", and low "vocal effort" compared to the general p…
So? It just shows that rapping might be an effective prevention therapy for this supposed effect.
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#25To point out the absurdity of this study using only 31 users with varying degrees of other types of drug use, as well as measuring some highly subjective metric, let me offer some purely anecdotal evidence that has a bigger sample size. I can name more than 31 rappers (try me) that have heavy, long-term cannabis use that have fast "speech timing", high "vocal quality", and low "vocal effort" compared to the general p…
So? It just shows that rapping might be an effective prevention therapy for this supposed effect.
Well, supposed effective prevention for the supposed effect.
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#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
It’s hard to separate the effect of culture. A lot of cannabis users have an affinity for the cannabis sub-culture, or with related ones like the hippie/hipster cultures that have many shared speech patterns. You might see similar results analyzing the speech of surfers, pilots, sorority members, etc.
Try to remember that if you hear a pilot meowing.
do tell?
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#27The way America’s legalization effort has progressed has been really unfortunate. It seems as though no attempt at finding a middle ground was made, and consequently we wound up with complete legalization. Marijuana is an addictive highly potent mood altering substance that’s become available on demand with no real discussion about the consequences. Will anyone argue that having 15% of the otherwise young and product…
Guinness World Record for biggest strawman. As if anywhere close to that number of people would be permanently "zonked out", or that the "zonked" ones wouldn't aready be as such on alcohol or illicit cannabis, or that the government should have the right to tell you exactly which mood-altering substances you can enjoy, or that cannabis isn't actually a beneficial mood-altering drug for many people.
In other words, I disagree with almost every premise you've established.
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#28To point out the absurdity of this study using only 31 users with varying degrees of other types of drug use, as well as measuring some highly subjective metric, let me offer some purely anecdotal evidence that has a bigger sample size. I can name more than 31 rappers (try me) that have heavy, long-term cannabis use that have fast "speech timing", high "vocal quality", and low "vocal effort" compared to the general p…
> let me offer some purely anecdotal evidence that has a bigger sample size
That is not how science works.
And a study isn't absurd just because you don't like its conclusions.
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#29The way America’s legalization effort has progressed has been really unfortunate. It seems as though no attempt at finding a middle ground was made, and consequently we wound up with complete legalization. Marijuana is an addictive highly potent mood altering substance that’s become available on demand with no real discussion about the consequences. Will anyone argue that having 15% of the otherwise young and product…
If you used a different strain like UK cheese it would provide an anti-anxiety effect to that group. Mint Diesel and AK-47 sounds like it would make you ampped and confused. Finding/using the proper strain for the effect you want is the missing context from your comment above.
The discussion of the consequences were raised 50 years ago and the accepted conclusion was the biggest harm was it acting as a gateway drug to crack specifically in the 80s. I don't think that belief is as accepted as it was before.
Your fears of a lost generation and losing a trade with China as a result is not based in reality. The economic loss to China is a result of large companies trying to open the market to their product while giving away too much and inbalances in currency and trade barriers. A super motivated extra 10-15% of the under 29 age group just doesn't matter when weighted against those bigger policies.
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#30The way America’s legalization effort has progressed has been really unfortunate. It seems as though no attempt at finding a middle ground was made, and consequently we wound up with complete legalization. Marijuana is an addictive highly potent mood altering substance that’s become available on demand with no real discussion about the consequences. Will anyone argue that having 15% of the otherwise young and product…
This is the sort of response that makes me wonder: dude, what have you been smoking?
Let's start with the whole notion of organizing our society based on some perceived need to compete with a country half the world away. That's the sort of paranoia combined with hazy connections that I'd expect from somebody who was a bad kind of high.
And then there's the concern about addiction. Marijuana is way down the list of addiction potential. Nicotine, alcohol, and caffeine are much stronger and the former two have widespread proven harm: between the two they cause ~600k deaths per year. [1][2] (People debate the latter more, but most of those arguing in favor of caffeine are addicts themselves, and nobody can deny that Starbucks is a plague upon the urban landscape.) And let's not forget sugar, the white powder that causes enormous medical harm and that whole industries work to hook our children on!!1!
Jokes aside, I'd note that at least here in California, we already have a "middle ground". Marijuana is only available from a relatively small number of places, with production and distribution heavily regulated. Alcohol and nicotine are much more widely available. If anything, I'd expect legalization has resulted in reduced availability to minors, as this has surely driven a lot of the previous weed dealers out of business.
I believe that we have a duty to prevent people from exploiting others, especially to prevent organized commercial exploitation. And I believe that duty is strongest where addiction is concerned, because that bypasses the rational choice that freedom depends on. But on balance I think we do a much better job with marijuana than drugs like alcohol, nicotine, and the legal opiates.
[1] https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/fast... [2] https://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/features/excessive-alcohol-death...