Apparently we have constructed a society in which everyone, including children, has to spend all day doing things they can't care about without pharmaceutical help. When this last happened under the Qin dynasty, it ended in the Taiping Rebellion, and produced nothing of value except those little canned oranges. I hear pornographic performers are on Viagra too. Meanwhile nobody actually has children, and CO2 PPM keeps…
25% of students age 16-32 take Adderall 1-7 times per week, not prescribed
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Re: 25% of students age 16-32 take Adderall 1-7 times per week, not prescribed
#62> I just learned from a colleague and it was confirmed by every student I asked, that 25% of students age 16-32 take Adderall 1-7X/week (not prescribed). And 5-10% do the same w/Modafinil or Armodafanil; 30-35% of students are on amphetamine Modafinil isn't an amphetamine. Source is seemingly "anecdata." And this was posted on Twitter. Probably not much to see here other than some outrage for attention.
> Modafinil isn't an amphetamine. That's not what he said. The different responses he gave to the questions asked on his tweet are actually interesting, you might have a look.
Re: 25% of students age 16-32 take Adderall 1-7 times per week, not prescribed
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Nobody planned this. It’s the result of emergent behavior in complex systems and feedback loops. We are still absolutely at the mercy of such forces. They rule us. We sort of understand them (game theory, complexity, evolutionary dynamics) but have yet to come up with any reliable way of controlling them. Totalitarian government force is the best we can do, and it comes with equally large downsides and is itself subj…
Like ants? All for the colony. We would already be on Mars if we behaved like ants but what kind of life is that.
Despotic systems like communism on the other hand only reflect the goals of a chosen few. So by human limitation these goals can never adequately represent the complexity of the governed. Such societies will inevitably degenerate and fall behind.
While pure market oriented societies can fall into “activity traps” from which it might be hard for them to climb out of.
Re: 25% of students age 16-32 take Adderall 1-7 times per week, not prescribed
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I tried Adderall once, in college, for a final exam I had ill prepared for. It increased my working memory by a factor of 2 or 3; the most concrete thing I remember being able to do was hold 8 (sparse) 3x3 matrices in my head (Gell-Mann matrices, [0]) and effortlessly manipulate them, all without ever writing anything down. However, the crash afterwards was so brutal that despite the extraordinary effect on my short-…
I was given an Adderall by a friend and I experienced similar cognitive benefit as you, but I didn't crash at all. That said, I didn't see what would be the benefit of taking Adderall consistently, given I could achieve similar results with adrafinil, various racetams, and other nootropic drugs.
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>Modafinil isn't an amphetamine. The last time I went on a modafinil bender I didn't sleep for a week and ended that with a 12 hour masturbation session involving a lot of blood. That's not really that much different to what happened the one time I did meth, apart from there being a lot less violence. Modafinil should be way more regulated than it is.
> I didn't sleep for a week lies
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>... and produced nothing of value except those little canned oranges. What?
Is joke. Mandarin oranges. Obviously that's not really where the canned fruit came from. Kind of an oblique reference to the exam system and the system of bureaucratic appointments. If I'd wanted to be serious I'd have said something about "involution".
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#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
Nobody planned this. It’s the result of emergent behavior in complex systems and feedback loops. We are still absolutely at the mercy of such forces. They rule us. We sort of understand them (game theory, complexity, evolutionary dynamics) but have yet to come up with any reliable way of controlling them. Totalitarian government force is the best we can do, and it comes with equally large downsides and is itself subj…
Like ants? All for the colony. We would already be on Mars if we behaved like ants but what kind of life is that.
Re: 25% of students age 16-32 take Adderall 1-7 times per week, not prescribed
#68> I just learned from a colleague and it was confirmed by every student I asked, that 25% of students age 16-32 take Adderall 1-7X/week (not prescribed). And 5-10% do the same w/Modafinil or Armodafanil; 30-35% of students are on amphetamine Modafinil isn't an amphetamine. Source is seemingly "anecdata." And this was posted on Twitter. Probably not much to see here other than some outrage for attention.
>Modafinil isn't an amphetamine. Yeah, it isn't. It's a nootropic like caffeine. Similar effects, lasts longer, doesn't create a dependence. It's arguably better than caffeine, and I can understand its use. Amphetamine being popular like that is, however, insanity.
Wait until you learn about all the people that smoke and/or drink alcohol!
Re: 25% of students age 16-32 take Adderall 1-7 times per week, not prescribed
#69> I just learned from a colleague and it was confirmed by every student I asked, that 25% of students age 16-32 take Adderall 1-7X/week (not prescribed). And 5-10% do the same w/Modafinil or Armodafanil; 30-35% of students are on amphetamine Modafinil isn't an amphetamine. Source is seemingly "anecdata." And this was posted on Twitter. Probably not much to see here other than some outrage for attention.
>Modafinil isn't an amphetamine. The last time I went on a modafinil bender I didn't sleep for a week and ended that with a 12 hour masturbation session involving a lot of blood. That's not really that much different to what happened the one time I did meth, apart from there being a lot less violence. Modafinil should be way more regulated than it is.
Re: 25% of students age 16-32 take Adderall 1-7 times per week, not prescribed
#70For anyone who cares, here are the official statistics. > Among U.S. adults, 6.6% (annual average) used prescription stimulants overall; 4.5% used without misuse, 1.9% misused without use disorders, and 0.2% had use disorders. [0] With that as a prior, this anecdata seems far off unless there's something horribly wrong at Stanford. Practically, I'm not sure where kids are getting this stuff to supply amphetamine at a…
Go into a college library around finals week and you will see just how over prescribed and readily available these drugs are.