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25% of students age 16-32 take Adderall 1-7 times per week, not prescribed

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Re: 25% of students age 16-32 take Adderall 1-7 times per week, not prescribed

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Could anyone here tell us about their experience with "study drugs"? When did this start to become a phenomenon, because it certainly was not in the time and place I studied.

They were very popular 10 years ago in the STEM and business schools at the prestigious public university I attended (in the US).

A lot of people were graduating addicted to stimulants. I probably should've been prescribed ADD medication, but I never went through the necessary hurdles.

Anecdotal, but that was my experience.

Re: 25% of students age 16-32 take Adderall 1-7 times per week, not prescribed

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Are there any studies speculating on long term health effects of kids being addicted to low grade amphetamines? This is a new enough phenomenon that I don’t think there are sufficient data to draw definitive conclusions from.

> This is a new enough phenomenon This is a common misconception. Amphetamine was used to treat childhood ADHD going back to the 1930s. (Not to mention that amphetamine was widely used to treat sinus congestion and allergies in everyone, including children.) Medical amphetamine usage was significantly higher in the 1950s and 1960s than today. We’ve been on a long term secular decline in amphetamine usage (along with…

Prescribed medical use may have been higher, but was overall use higher? Assuming the anecdata in the tweet are true, I just can’t imagine 20-30% of people aged 16-30 were prescribed amphetamines in the 50s.

Anyway, given that medical use was probably high enough back in the day that we can draw reliable conclusions about its long-term effects, are there any studies discussing this?

Re: 25% of students age 16-32 take Adderall 1-7 times per week, not prescribed

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post #11

Some fraction of this is almost certainly due to taking them as an "academic steroid" rather than having a diagnosis for a condition that needs amphetamines. The abuse of these drugs is a very real problem in schools, but some students legitimately need them so it's hard to come up with a blanket policy. Edit: according to the tweet, all of this is due to recreational or performance enhancing use.

Anecdotally, I remember classmates in college using Adderall as a performance enhancing drug prior to taking exams. You could randomly drug test a subset of students and check against prescriptions, but that might get onerous.

Could you not skip those with prescriptions to the stimulants (Adderall, etc) to reduce sample space? Then your method would work well in theory. Of course, in practice, who wants to take a drug test? Certainly not before an exam! It would be chaotic

Re: 25% of students age 16-32 take Adderall 1-7 times per week, not prescribed

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post #5

Could anyone here tell us about their experience with "study drugs"? When did this start to become a phenomenon, because it certainly was not in the time and place I studied.

I tried Adderall once, in college, for a final exam I had ill prepared for. It increased my working memory by a factor of 2 or 3; the most concrete thing I remember being able to do was hold 8 (sparse) 3x3 matrices in my head (Gell-Mann matrices, [0]) and effortlessly manipulate them, all without ever writing anything down. However, the crash afterwards was so brutal that despite the extraordinary effect on my short-…

I was given an Adderall by a friend and I experienced similar cognitive benefit as you, but I didn't crash at all.

That said, I didn't see what would be the benefit of taking Adderall consistently, given I could achieve similar results with adrafinil, various racetams, and other nootropic drugs.

Re: 25% of students age 16-32 take Adderall 1-7 times per week, not prescribed

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post #5

Could anyone here tell us about their experience with "study drugs"? When did this start to become a phenomenon, because it certainly was not in the time and place I studied.

I can tell you about my experience with modafinil / armodafinil. For the record, I'm 40. I've never been diagnosed with anything, and I wasn't terrible in school, but I was never really able to concentrate for too long. I kind of tumbled into IT after school and it worked for me, if I got 2 hours of concentrated work in per day, I'd get by. A friend of mine had taken modafinil and recommended it to me like three year…

Have you tried adrafinil at any point, or any other nootropic drugs?

Re: 25% of students age 16-32 take Adderall 1-7 times per week, not prescribed

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post #8

This figure provided is wholly anecdotal and pretty much worthless if not to bring the topic in question. However, it sure is concerning that many consider abusing prescription drugs with possibly severe, long lasting side effects to attempt to improve studying effectiveness (or because of self diagnosed ADHD and the likes..). It may become another drug epidemic, if it's not too late already. Misinformation and dubio…

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Re: 25% of students age 16-32 take Adderall 1-7 times per week, not prescribed

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post #5

Could anyone here tell us about their experience with "study drugs"? When did this start to become a phenomenon, because it certainly was not in the time and place I studied.

Yeah I can share some thoughts. Graduated with a BCS degree in 2017 for context. I had friends then on all sides of the spectrum (in terms of "study drug" usage). Two most common drugs going around were Adderall and Vyvanse. Lot of people took them but I would divide them into 3 groups * Group 1: These folks are prescribed it, they usually take it as prescribed or cut back their intake so they can sell the excess. *…

> just the general feeling like you're on a drug bender even though you took just one.

As someone who has been on Vyvanse (prescribed) for a few years now, I can say that this feeling definitely goes away eventually. Unless I drink a lot of really strong coffee…

Re: 25% of students age 16-32 take Adderall 1-7 times per week, not prescribed

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> I just learned from a colleague and it was confirmed by every student I asked, that 25% of students age 16-32 take Adderall 1-7X/week (not prescribed). And 5-10% do the same w/Modafinil or Armodafanil; 30-35% of students are on amphetamine Modafinil isn't an amphetamine. Source is seemingly "anecdata." And this was posted on Twitter. Probably not much to see here other than some outrage for attention.

>Modafinil isn't an amphetamine. The last time I went on a modafinil bender I didn't sleep for a week and ended that with a 12 hour masturbation session involving a lot of blood. That's not really that much different to what happened the one time I did meth, apart from there being a lot less violence. Modafinil should be way more regulated than it is.

> I didn't sleep for a week

lies

Re: 25% of students age 16-32 take Adderall 1-7 times per week, not prescribed

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post #8

This figure provided is wholly anecdotal and pretty much worthless if not to bring the topic in question. However, it sure is concerning that many consider abusing prescription drugs with possibly severe, long lasting side effects to attempt to improve studying effectiveness (or because of self diagnosed ADHD and the likes..). It may become another drug epidemic, if it's not too late already. Misinformation and dubio…

> However, it sure is concerning that many consider abusing prescription drugs with possibly severe, long lasting side effects to attempt to improve studying effectiveness

Not getting through an education and being saddled with a heavy student debt without a well paying job is an extremely severe, extremely long lasting and quite horrible at times life destroying side effect of not doing everything the two people next to you the first day of class are to get by. Also it’s much more likely if you ascribe to the typical “look to your left, look to your right” speech.

I think it’s unfair putting the blame on the individual when objectively looking at the two alternatives presented to them has the one you want them not to follow being the objectively better. It’s like arguing that Arnold Schwarzenegger never should have done steroids.

I got through my studies without any drugs, but had you offered the opportunity to those in my starting class who flunked out, one now homeless and struggling with alcoholism incapable, I am certain they would chose it. And had you that first day given me the opportunity, I likely would have taken it just to reduce risk.

Re: 25% of students age 16-32 take Adderall 1-7 times per week, not prescribed

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post #27

For anyone who cares, here are the official statistics. > Among U.S. adults, 6.6% (annual average) used prescription stimulants overall; 4.5% used without misuse, 1.9% misused without use disorders, and 0.2% had use disorders. [0] With that as a prior, this anecdata seems far off unless there's something horribly wrong at Stanford. Practically, I'm not sure where kids are getting this stuff to supply amphetamine at a…

Go into a college library around finals week and you will see just how over prescribed and readily available these drugs are.
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