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Salesforce offers to help staff leave Texas as abortion law takes effect

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Re: Salesforce offers to help staff leave Texas as abortion law takes effect

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Post by tommymachine »

Arete314159 wrote: post #20
runlevel1 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can be held liable for aiding and abetting as well.[1] You don't have to have an unplanned pregnancy yourself to suffer from this law. Even if you aren't impacted at all, you might not want to live in a state where this sort of law is supported. Still probably not going to be a ton of people, but the gesture can still be appreciated. [1]: https://legiscan.com/TX/text/SB8/id/2395961#:~:text=sec.%201...

I think most people are missing the even greater impact of this bill. If it's allowed to stand, it sets a precedent of "I didn't make xyz illegal, that's unconstitutional -- I just set up a system to reward vigilante anti-xyz enforcement." Vigilante enforcement of power structures has a long history in Texas. The Klan was really big there, esp. in East Texas. (Source: I have a lot of Texas ancestry, and we have bad s…

Ya, making murder illegal is definitely unconstitutional.

Re: Salesforce offers to help staff leave Texas as abortion law takes effect

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Post by tommymachine »

kadoban wrote: post #29
iratewizard wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was before the abortion law. The trends suggested it would be a battleground state in two to four years. I won't touch on the irony of anti-imperialists colonizing Austin, TX.

The recent voting laws they passed are more of an obstacle towards TX going blue.

Hard to win (cheat) with all these pesky voting laws going into effect!

Re: Salesforce offers to help staff leave Texas as abortion law takes effect

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Post by jjeaff »

tommymachine wrote: post #32
kadoban wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The recent voting laws they passed are more of an obstacle towards TX going blue.

Hard to win (cheat) with all these pesky voting laws going into effect!

No one was cheating before. The voting laws are put in place to disadvantage blue counties while increasing the opportunity to vote in red counties.

Re: Salesforce offers to help staff leave Texas as abortion law takes effect

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Post by tommymachine »

jjeaff wrote: post #33
tommymachine wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hard to win (cheat) with all these pesky voting laws going into effect!

No one was cheating before. The voting laws are put in place to disadvantage blue counties while increasing the opportunity to vote in red counties.

Seems like you would be able to argue an equal protection case then?

Would you complain if you felt it was the other way around? (Hint: no, you wouldn’t, because you’re a cheating democrat)

Re: Salesforce offers to help staff leave Texas as abortion law takes effect

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Post by xupybd »

Arete314159 wrote: post #20
runlevel1 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can be held liable for aiding and abetting as well.[1] You don't have to have an unplanned pregnancy yourself to suffer from this law. Even if you aren't impacted at all, you might not want to live in a state where this sort of law is supported. Still probably not going to be a ton of people, but the gesture can still be appreciated. [1]: https://legiscan.com/TX/text/SB8/id/2395961#:~:text=sec.%201...

I think most people are missing the even greater impact of this bill. If it's allowed to stand, it sets a precedent of "I didn't make xyz illegal, that's unconstitutional -- I just set up a system to reward vigilante anti-xyz enforcement." Vigilante enforcement of power structures has a long history in Texas. The Klan was really big there, esp. in East Texas. (Source: I have a lot of Texas ancestry, and we have bad s…

It's a work around. As soon as it's enforced it will be before the supreme court.

Re: Salesforce offers to help staff leave Texas as abortion law takes effect

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Post by aaron695 »

jasonjayr wrote: post #18
tootahe45 wrote: post #13

Sounds like a publicity stunt, Salesforce knowing there will be zero uptake of course. The few female employees Salesforce has in Texas are probably of the educated type who aren't having unplanned pregnancies.

People needing abortion services can come from all walks of life, for many reasons. Don't fall into the trap that only one "type" of person has abortions. Remember, this awful law offers no exceptions for rape victims.

> Remember, this awful law offers no exceptions for rape victims.

This sums up the insanity of the average person... no offence.

Why exactly can a rape victim kill a thing a non rape victim cannot kill?

Why does the thing deserve to die, or is ok to die because the father is a rapist?

I'm ok with the idea children can be punished for their parents sins, I believe in genetics, but I don't think this is your point?

Non rape victims can have shitty mental health too and the idea when a woman's birth control fails she's at fault doesn't cut it either.

Pro choice is all around emotive convenience.

None of this is coherent ethics or even coherent facts, as we've seen this story consistently misreported, if we'd skipped the clever Shrek memes attacking a website and talked facts around the law maybe we'd move forward. I guess who cares, society is getting the Twitter society it deserves.

Re: Salesforce offers to help staff leave Texas as abortion law takes effect

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Post by tekromancr »

As much as anti-abortionists will jump up and down screaming "it's murder!"; I don't think they genuinely believe that.

If you had a choice between saving the life of an actual, breathing, crying child vs a tray, filled with dishes, all together accounting for HUNDREDS of fertilized embryos the choice is obvious.

The anti-abortionist would have you believe otherwise, of course, but I think deep down in their souls they know it's true.

Re: Salesforce offers to help staff leave Texas as abortion law takes effect

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Post by addicted »

runlevel1 wrote: post #16
tootahe45 wrote: post #13

Sounds like a publicity stunt, Salesforce knowing there will be zero uptake of course. The few female employees Salesforce has in Texas are probably of the educated type who aren't having unplanned pregnancies.

You can be held liable for aiding and abetting as well.[1] You don't have to have an unplanned pregnancy yourself to suffer from this law. Even if you aren't impacted at all, you might not want to live in a state where this sort of law is supported. Still probably not going to be a ton of people, but the gesture can still be appreciated. [1]: https://legiscan.com/TX/text/SB8/id/2395961#:~:text=sec.%201...

The other messed up part of the law is that the people who crafted it expressly recognize its illegality, that’s why they created a ridiculous bounty system to enforce it.

Re: Salesforce offers to help staff leave Texas as abortion law takes effect

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Post by raffraffraff »

jasonjayr wrote: post #18
tootahe45 wrote: post #13

Sounds like a publicity stunt, Salesforce knowing there will be zero uptake of course. The few female employees Salesforce has in Texas are probably of the educated type who aren't having unplanned pregnancies.

People needing abortion services can come from all walks of life, for many reasons. Don't fall into the trap that only one "type" of person has abortions. Remember, this awful law offers no exceptions for rape victims.

We (Ireland) recently repealed a constitution amendment that banned abortion. My father is in his 90s and is a devout Catholic. He's exactly the type of person who would like to ban abortion, but before the referendum I had a long chat with him and have him a hypothetical situation: your daughter has just realised that she is pregnant. During the scan they also discover a tumor. The oncologist will not begin chemotherapy while she is pregnant. If she doesn't abort and begin chemotherapy her chances of survival are 10%. The embryo is just weeks old. Two major questions must be asked:

1. Is the life of a fully grown adult, who two children, a husband, parents, a brother, a sister and a large group of friends, worth "the same as" a 6 week old embryo that cannot actually think or feel?

2. Multiple choice questions: who should get to say whether or not she is allowed to abort in order to have a chance at survival? A judge? A doctor? A priest? Her father? Or.... Call me crazy... But maybe her?

And that last question is the very definition of "pro-choice"

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