Sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS), hides high rates of women killing their infant babies. Apparently society is not ready to admit that women are capable of doing this. So this is just a convenient disease to hide it under.
Watched a documentary on this many years back on CBC.
Phony diagnoses hide high rates of drugging at nursing homes
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Are there any states where people can be involuntarily committed indefinitely without judicial involvement? [edit responding to your edit] you were responding to the tone of my original comment, which I softened while you were responding, so sorry for the original combativeness. For what it's worth, holy crap does what you described suck. i would have done exactly what you did. no amount of knowing that it's not "ind…
California.
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Something similar happened to a friend of mine and you can find plenty of stories on the internet - the way suicidal people are treated by the police is actually cruel and I can't imagine it helps anyone who is really feeling suicidal. My buddy got arrested, restrained to a hospital bed against his will, was given a cocktail of drugs, and had to stay there multiple days while getting a 'wellness check' every fifteen…
> I definitely learned never to call the police unless someone is literally getting ready to jump off a building. This is an important lesson. Do not call the police unless you literally just want them to remove a nuisance and you don't care what happens to the person or how they are dealt with. Even then, police are just a wild card with the potential for life altering outcomes. My brother called the police once bec…
Calling police is rolling the dice on a range of possible outcomes often times putting you in the crosshairs and rarely resulting in what you would expect.
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#235Phony Diagnoses not just at nursing homes, also in mental facilities. Was really surprised (better word-traumatized) that one flippant casual mention of not valuing my life in a private text message was enough to to get me detained by police in a facility for a night. "Doctor" threatened me with drugging just because I refused to answer some of their questions and instead insisted on a lawyer. Funny how freedoms can…
This is literal survivorship bias. I'm sure there are many people who are no longer alive because people did not take their texts seriously. I can easily imagine someone posting something just like this from the other side of the coin.
That doesn't justify violating somone and stripping them of their rights. There are plnety of possible nterventions short of that
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Haloperidol is absolutely a powerful sedative (amongst its other effects). This isn’t a misplaced claim or hyperbole, it is used (and I have used it) to sedate agitated patients in hospitals. I mean, it actually sounds like you don’t really know what you’re talking about. It’s not quite in our ‘take down’ class of drugs (think meth patient in the emergency room) but it sure as hell knocks patients out in IV/IM admini…
Maybe it's an issue of dosage. At the levels you would prescribe outside of the hospital to a patient presenting with symptoms of schizophrenia, it can definitely cause sedation. At higher doses, you could probably say that it is a powerful seditive. It just seems disingenuous in the context of this article - to explain to the layman what the medication is - to call it a powerful sedative. It is an antipsychotic whic…
Your claim that describing Haldol as a sedative is disingenuous is entirely about intention and justification, not about anything material. Yes, you can use it with the intention of improving a schizophrenic's condition. That doesn't make it any less of a sedative.
If you give Warfarin to somebody at the dosages used to poison rats, it'll probably kill that person, too. I think I get what you were going for with the comparison, but all medicines are very light poisons at the dosages in which they are administered (all substances in general are poisons at the right dosages, really) but Haldol is a strong sedative at the dosages at the dosages in which it is administered.
And can we really say categorically that we aren't actually using the sedation itself (to some degree) to calm the schizophrenic?
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In Soviet Russia, government officials would remove someone, and then claim suicide. In America, they first claim suicide (risk), then remove them.
There is a big difference between murdering someone and detaining someone for a day if a trained professional believes there is a high risk of suicide.
Believing unaccountable decisions placed in the hands of powerful doctors without recourse results in a professional suicide assessment is not what actually happens. You may be detained for no reason and have no recourse. They may pump drugs into you.
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In my case, it "worked" by making me far more anxious of failure and the judgement of others. For 8 years. I had never previously had suicidal thoughts but I did less than a year after starting the "meds." Then I got in trouble for discussing suicide with another student. The whole situation is more hellishly dystopian than a grimdark fiction writer could imagine. It's no mystery why gen Z are often aggressive doomer…
> I did less than a year after starting the "meds." Then I got in trouble for discussing suicide with another student I'm sorry to hear that. I believe that's why we had mandated psychiatric visits while my daughter was on the medication. We couldn't get refills without meeting with the doctor to discuss how it was going. It definitely sounds like it wasn't working well for you, either because of how the medication e…
> I'm not sure it's fair to extrapolate what everyone's experience is from what happened to you.
But the problem is generic. USA schools have all the code smells: employees who are “just doing their job Ma’am”, or reacting knee-jerk, politics being involved leading to no solving issues but communicating a lot on them; no-xyz policies (replace with any CNN topic of the time) which leads to extreme response to normal youth events (overreaction to suicide or misbehavior, police in schools, searches come to my mind, but there is worse), competition between children, not only in curriculum but also in who’s the most popular and the most bully, drugs… And finally, the prevalence of psychologists compared to other countries, but psychologists that prescribe Aderall (US schools are world-famous abroad for threatening to curb energy with drugs on, mostly, boys) instead of working with teachers to better alternate recess/manual classes/theoretical lessons.
Of course it’s easy to tell from abroad that something is wrong, but less easy to tell how to setup different social dynamics that would result in a better system (and France certainly has its own problems with schools). It might even be as subtle as too much sugar in kid’s food, which changes behaviors a lot.
Re: Phony diagnoses hide high rates of drugging at nursing homes
#239Phony Diagnoses not just at nursing homes, also in mental facilities. Was really surprised (better word-traumatized) that one flippant casual mention of not valuing my life in a private text message was enough to to get me detained by police in a facility for a night. "Doctor" threatened me with drugging just because I refused to answer some of their questions and instead insisted on a lawyer. Funny how freedoms can…
This is literal survivorship bias. I'm sure there are many people who are no longer alive because people did not take their texts seriously. I can easily imagine someone posting something just like this from the other side of the coin.
> I'm sure there are many people who are no longer alive because people did not take their texts seriously.
So? If they wanted to die, that's what they wanted. Do we have to forcibly be required to live in a mental institution, pumped with drugs, for the benefit of others if we don't want to be here anymore?
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This happened to a friend of mine. "Friend" of theirs who was angry they didn't have a romantic interest in him called the police claiming they were suicidal. Police came, handcuffed them, verbally abused them, and dragged them to a hospital against their will even though they were clearly fine. They were forced to stay there for ~a day and then had no means to get home, thankfully a friend was able to pick them up a…
Something similar happened to a friend of mine and you can find plenty of stories on the internet - the way suicidal people are treated by the police is actually cruel and I can't imagine it helps anyone who is really feeling suicidal. My buddy got arrested, restrained to a hospital bed against his will, was given a cocktail of drugs, and had to stay there multiple days while getting a 'wellness check' every fifteen…
> while getting a 'wellness check' every fifteen minutes where a nurse shakes you awake.
Actually, speaking of practices that are implemented for the convenience of administrators rather than the benefit of the patient...
There is a popular belief that, if you have a head injury, you must stay awake because losing consciousness is dangerous. This is completely false. Your urge to sleep reflects the fact that that is what's healthiest for you. If (1) you are caring for someone with a head injury, (2) they want to sleep, and (3) you have no means of addressing a very serious problem such as massive internal bleeding, you should let them sleep, because that is their best chance to recover.
It is, however, absolutely true that, if you have a head injury, 911 will tell whoever is caring for you to make sure that you remain conscious, and if you're already in a hospital, the staff will do their best to ensure you remain conscious. This is not because staying conscious is good for you. It is because they are relying on an index of how severe your injury is ("is he behaving oddly?") which only applies if you're conscious. Everyone who's unconscious is behaving normally.