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Re: A stranger secretly lived in my home

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Post by petre » Sun, Sep 12, 2021, 4:54 AM UTC

nsxwolf wrote: post #96

WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #46

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> Your office got off lucky. I disagree. Sleeper guy wanted to crash & didn't want their hardware. There wasn't meaningful risk. I think we make the mistake that perceiving risk makes it real. It's reality that determines our actual risk tho.

Did you ask the women in your office how they felt about that incident?

We had a drunk homeless woman sleeping in the ladies room at our office, during work hours. After that event we got a faulty intercom which creates countless problems with the delivery guys, but also a lot less interruptions from random people doing fundraising for random causes.

Re: A stranger secretly lived in my home

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Post by jakelazaroff » Sun, Sep 12, 2021, 4:57 AM UTC

WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #70

vegetablepotpie wrote: post #53

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Right, but laws enforced selectively based on feelings is its own form of tyranny.

It can be but usually isn't. The value of a local, penalty-backed law is in it's ability to guide bulk behavior. These laws imply a bargain we make with our governments, that enforcement will be limited to the stated objective. Reducing traffic speeds by citing a few speeders - this upholds that bargain. Citing every possible speeder while those fines fatten the police budget is a gross perversion.

Consider that "laws enforced selectively based on feelings" often describes racial profiling.

Re: A stranger secretly lived in my home

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Post by [deleted] » Sun, Sep 12, 2021, 5:01 AM UTC

cultofmetatron wrote: post #157

mrow84 wrote: post #150

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How do you know she abused him? Seems like you’re jumping to conclusions; (almost) none of us know anything about the situation so perhaps it is better to avoid speculating?

neither do the cops but they chose to put him out of his home at her word. Last I checked, women can buy their own damn houses.

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Re: A stranger secretly lived in my home

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Post by petre » Sun, Sep 12, 2021, 5:02 AM UTC

ajb wrote: post #106

There was the guy who dug a secret underground bunker under Hampstead heath: https://www.theguardian.com/news/2020/mar/05/invisible-city-...

This article's introduction sounds a bit like the intro to Dickens' Bleak House. Quite a bit of literature. The nasty thing is they threw the guy in jail because they found an improvised firearm with his DNA on buried it near some of his stuff.

Re: A stranger secretly lived in my home

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Post by pen2l » Sun, Sep 12, 2021, 5:10 AM UTC

jacquesm wrote: post #120

itwy wrote: post #110

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That's hilarious. How did the rest of the conversation go?

I just dropped him off at the nearest light. He would leave a small bag in the car from then on so he didn't have to lug all his stuff around. This was around 1989, the location is Veemarkt in Amsterdam ('Veemarkt' is dutch for cattle market). Back then homeless people in Amsterdam were fairly rare, now there are 100's of them.

I'm surprised that he chose to continue using your car then, because I would have thought being found out once would permanently turn him off and have him find another place. I guess you might have communicated to him that it was okay for him to use your car is a stronger way than you recall; or maybe the 80s just had a different vibe.

Re: A stranger secretly lived in my home

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Post by grapist420 » Sun, Sep 12, 2021, 5:25 AM UTC

atatatat wrote: post #152

grapist420 wrote: post #151

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military spending is 51% of discretionary spending. https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ6wwEz... Not 51% of government spending, which is much much larger

How many trillions per decade is that?

cool but it’s not the half of the federal budget you suggested

Re: A stranger secretly lived in my home

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Post by loa_in_ » Sun, Sep 12, 2021, 5:43 AM UTC

TigeriusKirk wrote: post #8

bserge wrote: post #5

Wasn't there a similar story in Japan? Also multiple stories of people secretly living in office building and warehouses. Gotta make do, I guess.

At one company I worked for, a new hire started living on a floor under construction in the building. He thought no one knew, but we all did. Stayed up there for months since management was afraid of confronting him about it for some reason. He did do good work, I guess.

For months, every day?

Re: A stranger secretly lived in my home

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Post by morsch » Sun, Sep 12, 2021, 6:31 AM UTC

frosted-flakes wrote: post #121

kennywinker wrote: post #112

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But they lived together there? Even when it's under the status of a romantic relationship, that's still at least partially a tenant-landlord relationship and as such the tenant has rights. Setting aside all the gender politics - you don't get to evict a tenant at a moment's notice. And yeah, he got evicted sorta. But he still owns the house. I'm not saying it's an ideal situation... but given the tenant landlord powe…

I'm trying to get this straight. If he owns the house and lives there, then why do his tenant's rights supersede his own? The tenant might live there and thus has certain rights, but so does he .

I don't think it's absurd that the tenant gets extra protection to counterbalance the ownership issue that lets the owner-tenant have the last word in the long run. But I suspect the man would draw the short straw regardless of the ownership situation.

Which I'm fine with, it still seems to be a reasonable heuristic given how imbalanced I believe domestic abuse is. But obviously it's unjust in some cases, and not useful for same sex relationships. Let's strive for a world where as many women as men own shared housing and act abusive towards their spouse.

Re: A stranger secretly lived in my home

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Post by jacquesm » Sun, Sep 12, 2021, 6:48 AM UTC

pen2l wrote: post #165

jacquesm wrote: post #120

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I just dropped him off at the nearest light. He would leave a small bag in the car from then on so he didn't have to lug all his stuff around. This was around 1989, the location is Veemarkt in Amsterdam ('Veemarkt' is dutch for cattle market). Back then homeless people in Amsterdam were fairly rare, now there are 100's of them.

I'm surprised that he chose to continue using your car then, because I would have thought being found out once would permanently turn him off and have him find another place. I guess you might have communicated to him that it was okay for him to use your car is a stronger way than you recall; or maybe the 80s just had a different vibe.

I don't think he had a whole lot of options in his life. Primarily I think he did it because he felt safe there, that area was at the time very much out of the way of traffic and apart from the occasional burglary there wasn't much crime.

One funny angle is that I was living there illegally myself, I didn't have a kitchen or a place to shower there and it being so quiet is why I got away with that. The people from other companies in that building knew that I was staying there overnight, but they in turn also didn't mind because they saw me as their 'free nightwatch', so there is some recurring element in there.

Anyway, it's ages ago, and if it happened today I'm not sure how I would respond, and I always wondered what happened to him but I did not see him after I moved (I went all the way to Poland).

https://www.google.com/maps/@52.3679788,4.9392218,3a,75y,187...

My unit was the one one from the corner on top (the entrance was at the back), about 60 square meters, an early version of a hackerspace I guess, and the bike path on the left wasn't there at the time, that's where there was parking space.

Now there are a few thousand people living on the other side of the street so you would never get away with it today anyway, someone would spot you there before the first day was out.

Re: A stranger secretly lived in my home

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Post by petre » Sun, Sep 12, 2021, 6:53 AM UTC

leppr wrote: post #138

elcano wrote: post #75

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I would assume that you would have to very mentally stable to resist all that humiliation without going nuts. I have a friend that wasn't homeless, but all unemployment money was used on rent required to keep his shared custody (without an apartment to house the kids, you cannot have custody). He always was clean and used good clothes, but he made the line with homeless people to get free food daily. Otherwise he wou…

> He always was clean and used good clothes An alternative explanation could be that the women thought he was abusing the service to get free food even if he didn't need it, and thus put on some faces that he misinterpreted.

As if if someone has the means they would totally go out and eat with the homeless just to 'abuse the service' and get free food. Right.