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NY hospital to pause baby deliveries after staffers quit over vaccine mandate

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Re: NY hospital to pause baby deliveries after staffers quit over vaccine mandate

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Post by mbg721 »

ASalazarMX wrote: post #70
jasonhansel wrote: post #9

Would you really want your baby to be delivered by anti-vaxxers?

For the people who answer "yes", this is the same as asking if you would let a builder that doesn't believe that asbestos is dangerous to build your house. Professionals that go by beliefs when the facts are readily available are not behaving like professionals. Let their personal beliefs decide which m&m flavor they like, not medical procedures.

Do you have an asbestos litmus-test for the guy who tightens your shower taps or trims your hedges? I think you'll find yourself rapidly very short of professionals if you actually put this into practice.

Re: NY hospital to pause baby deliveries after staffers quit over vaccine mandate

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Post by disambiguation »

ASalazarMX wrote: post #70
jasonhansel wrote: post #9

Would you really want your baby to be delivered by anti-vaxxers?

For the people who answer "yes", this is the same as asking if you would let a builder that doesn't believe that asbestos is dangerous to build your house. Professionals that go by beliefs when the facts are readily available are not behaving like professionals. Let their personal beliefs decide which m&m flavor they like, not medical procedures.

they're just delivering a baby, not banning them from ever getting vaccinated

bad analogy

Re: NY hospital to pause baby deliveries after staffers quit over vaccine mandate

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Post by q1w2 »

mbg721 wrote: post #31
jasonhansel wrote: post #9

Would you really want your baby to be delivered by anti-vaxxers?

Sure, why not? With our first kid, we were frequently confused and frustrated by the goofy baggage that various ob-gyns had. Covid vaccine hesitancy wouldn't make my top 10 concerns.

Aside from the risk they're introducing to the delivery ward, the newborns, and the recovering mothers, it also represents a lack of intelligence - which can impact other aspects of care.

I have dealt with a large number of poor quality nurses (there's a nurse shortage to the bar is low for admission), and I have a strong feeling that the bad nurses are also the anti-vax nurses.

Re: NY hospital to pause baby deliveries after staffers quit over vaccine mandate

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Post by q1w2 »

chrismcb wrote: post #48
jasonhansel wrote: post #9

Would you really want your baby to be delivered by anti-vaxxers?

I would prefer my child to be delivered by someone who knows how to deliver babies. I would not care about their gender, their race, their sexual proclivities. I would not who they voted for, what music they listen to, where our not they believe we land on the moon. I would not care if the hate the measles vaccine. Or are against taking a brand new vaccine. Why would I? Are you afraid what the nurse thinks will someo…

Nurses don't deliver babies anyway - doctors do.

Gender, race, sex preferences, or political beliefs are very different from being anti-vax.

Being anti-vax is evidence of low intelligence. So no, I would not want someone with low intelligence to handle or assist my baby's delivery.

But the most obvious reason is that they directly endanger mothers and babies in the delivery ward because unvaccinated people are more contagious and carry higher viral loads.

Re: NY hospital to pause baby deliveries after staffers quit over vaccine mandate

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Post by q1w2 »

h2odragon wrote: post #35

From the sentiment on display so far; I'm wondering how long before we get advocates for involuntary vaccinations among the "essential workers" without whom our society will not function. If half the Post Office quits over this, that system isn't going to restart quickly or easily. Multiply that by many others.

No one is arguing for forced vaccinations.

Arguing to absurdum, does not make a logical argument.

Re: NY hospital to pause baby deliveries after staffers quit over vaccine mandate

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Post by q1w2 »

MisterBastahrd wrote: post #43

Let's start providing federal assistance to medical degrees and certificates. People deserve better than to be treated by the purposefully ignorant.

There is a nurse shortage unfortunately, so this problem of poor quality nurses isn't going away.

Re: NY hospital to pause baby deliveries after staffers quit over vaccine mandate

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Post by q1w2 »

drfuchs wrote: post #29
eplanit wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A healthcare professional who may already have antibodies from prior infection, and who therefore does not need a vaccine, perhaps.

From the CDC: "Yes, you should be vaccinated regardless of whether you already had COVID-19 because: * Research has not yet shown how long you are protected from getting COVID-19 again after you recover from COVID-19. * Vaccination helps protect you even if you’ve already had COVID-19. Evidence is emerging that people get better protection by being fully vaccinated compared with having had COVID-19. One study showed…

Right, but those CDC statements make it clear that the CDC is guessing and asking people to get vaccinated - not knowing if it's helpful or not.

Re: NY hospital to pause baby deliveries after staffers quit over vaccine mandate

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Post by q1w2 »

eplanit wrote: post #3
op00to wrote: post #2

What sort of monsters would willingly subject newborns to any additional risk of Covid?

A healthcare professional who may already have antibodies from prior infection, and who therefore does not need a vaccine, perhaps.

In these cases though, they have not.

It would be a better argument to say that they've tested positive for covid-19 antibodies - but that's not what's going on here.

They're just anti-vax.

Re: NY hospital to pause baby deliveries after staffers quit over vaccine mandate

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Post by q1w2 »

phren0logy wrote: post #16
eplanit wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A healthcare professional who may already have antibodies from prior infection, and who therefore does not need a vaccine, perhaps.

There doesn’t seem to be any problem with vaccination after infection. It’s unclear if that actually translates into better outcomes, but it’s likely. https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/09/07/1033677...

I feel like if they tested positive for covid-19 antibodies, that might be a valid exemption - because it's a bit much to require vaccinations for them if we still don't even know that it makes much difference.

Re: NY hospital to pause baby deliveries after staffers quit over vaccine mandate

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Post by q1w2 »

Huwyt_Nashi_068 wrote: post #27
op00to wrote: post #2

What sort of monsters would willingly subject newborns to any additional risk of Covid?

Also consider that caregivers in maternity departments are predominantly women, so there may be cause for reluctance if they would like to have children in future and the concerns over fertility side-effects hold any water. If you are family-oriented yourself, you would understand that the bar for jeopardizing this future is extremely high.

That might be the fear going around - but it has zero basis in fact or science.

It would be like saying all women have stopped eating pineapple because there's a viral Facebook post going around telling people that pineapples cause infertility.

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