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Re: Facebook Censored Me For Mentioning Open-Source Social Network Mastodon

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> Yet, it does present a non-negligible risk, Negligible: so small or unimportant as to be not worth considering; insignificant. The first page of search Mastodon results for me are all about a heavy metal band from Atlanta. Sounds like a negligible risk to me.

But when you have near-infinity resources, everything is technically "non-negligible," and that's the case here. Let's say there's a 0.01% chance that Mastodon beats Facebook. Okay, what's 0.01% of however much Facebook makes? That's how much they should spend on it, and I'd bet that amount of money is nothing to scoff at.

It sounds like you are arguing that there is no level of risk low enough to be ignored, and that there is no such thing as negligible risk.

So if there is 2^-500 chance of an alien invasion, lets put a team on it!

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I have not bothered to speculate why the took action in the case being discussed here. Not informing customers, then being amused that they are uninformed (and some invariably speculate), is not a solution to anything.

I'm amused by how confidently people assume they know whats going on when they're clearly clueless. They're not my customers, I'm not speaking on behalf of my employer. I just in the past have had real information about what is happening in related situations(eg. someone gets banned, post is moderated, technical outages) I find it funny how clueless people are yet act like they're not. Am i not allowed to find amusem…

I have no idea why you think you are smarter than anyone else.

You are calling people who are left uninformed dumb because information that is relevant to them is being withheld and they don't have inside information or corporate experience like you.

People work with the information and experiences they have. If a lack of information leads to wild misunderstandings, that is why corporations should communicate better.

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Ain't a dumb question at all! It actually takes reading the ActivityPub specs to answer it, so no surprise if you didn't get it just from reading the landing page ;) The answer is: it'll happen automatically. Just search for someone's handle, and your server will talk to that other server. When you follow that other users, your server will start federating with that other servers. Note though that servers might block…

Gotcha, thanks for the info. That does seem like a real problem, and I do see the complexity of the issue. Are there any current proposals for tackling it without adding centralization? Or do we just acknowledge/accept that that's a tradeoff?

There are ActivityPub relays: they are actors that re-broadcast anything sent to them to anyone who subscribes.

They are still decentralised, the aim is to populate the federated timeline. Obviously, the visibility is still a subset of the network.

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I doubt anyone at Facebook is freaking out about Mastodon and setting out to censor all mention of it. It's probably just a keyword or link that tends to co-appear with other, actually rule-breaking content, and some automated system has learned to block it. Still, it does seem like the sort of thing that could get Facebook in trouble with a regulator if you squint at it.

Well, Facebook bought the Israeli startup Onavo explicitly so they could track which new social apps are starting to become popular on user phones, so they could quickly acquire those or copy their features and kill the competition.

But Mastodon isn't becoming popular (and likely won't be).

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I'm amused by how confidently people assume they know whats going on when they're clearly clueless. They're not my customers, I'm not speaking on behalf of my employer. I just in the past have had real information about what is happening in related situations(eg. someone gets banned, post is moderated, technical outages) I find it funny how clueless people are yet act like they're not. Am i not allowed to find amusem…

I have no idea why you think you are smarter than anyone else. You are calling people who are left uninformed dumb because information that is relevant to them is being withheld and they don't have inside information or corporate experience like you. People work with the information and experiences they have. If a lack of information leads to wild misunderstandings, that is why corporations should communicate better.

You're not dumb because your uninformed, you're dumb when despite being uniformed you act like you aren't

Im not smarter,(or maybe i am) But in some cases I am more informed.

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Publishing provably false statements or reports with intent to deceive (or even just gross negligence) falls pretty squarely under the definition of misinformation. This isn’t very controversial, except among nut cases.

Oh. I see. So when a computer system sends signals over a wire, if it represents "provably false statements", it's actually misinformation, and not information. All those 1s and 0s instantly switch from information to misinformation, the minute their final representative form embodies a "provably false statement". Who decides what's provably false, by the way? Are the novels of Tolkien "misinformation", since it coul…

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This seems like really stretching the analogy just to remove personal responsibility. If I am the father of the missing children and I see the "family and friends" sharing their condolences, I would go talk to them first. If someone comes with pictures trying to accuse someone of something, no matter how shocking the accusations, there would still be the question of (a) why is someone bothering with taking pictures a…

Thanks for your reply, rlgullis. The extremes of my example were only to show that there could be real and serious consequences from misinformation rather than silence. If we dial it back from "killing my neighbour" to "lost my job" or even "missed my bus", I believe my point still stands. In many scenarios that we experience every day, we would be better served by accepting censure over misinformation. You claim "we…

> In many scenarios that we experience every day, we would be better served by accepting censure over misinformation.

No. Not at all. I refuse your premise. Not only you are begging the question here (what scenarios? Your example was terrible and I really don't think you can come up with a good one), I honestly worry more about those that believe this rhetoric than the "victims" of misinformation.

Also, it's curious how those that so easily accept censorship never think that they will eventually be on the wrong side of the taser gun.

> I agree with you in theory. But in practice this is impossible. The human brain is physically unable to work everything through from first principles.

Good thing then that this is NOT WHAT I AM SAYING.

There is no need to "work though things from first principles". The idea is NOT to determine a priori what is "right" or "safe" and then make a binary decision. The base idea is to decide on what action to take (or to refuse to take) by asking yourself what is the worst possible thing that can happen if the information I have is wrong? What are the odds of me being wrong?.

I'd suggest you get acquainted with Nassim Taleb and Joe Norman to understand better how to deal with complexity and uncertainty.

> In practice they have turned people against each other with very real and serious consequences.

Bullshit. There was no Facebook during the time of the Crusades. There was no Twitter during the Cold War and no smartphones during WW1 and WW2. None of these things would be avoidable if only we could censor wrongthink.

On the other hand, THERE ARE video records of Tienanmen Square who have been successfully hidden from an entire country for an entire generation.

(Sorry for the harsh language, but I start reading any kind of censorship-apologetic and fighting instincts kick in. If you don't see how much of a sign of being morally bankrupt it is to casually defend the hellish things like state-sponsored censorship, I see no point in continuing the "debate")

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https://joinmastodon.org/ Might as well see what FB is scared about

The big problem I have with Mastodon is that it has a culture of censorship equivalent to Facebook. My recollection is that to be listed in their directory of instances, you need to abide by the content rules created by key Mastodon people, and those instances in turn are required to only peer with other instances that follow the same rules. Those rules basically include moderation based on various progressive politi…

On one hand this might be a problem, on the other hand, one has to realize, that someone hosting mastodon is also in some regions of the world, responsible for taking care of preventing illegal content on the service. If I hosted a mastodon instance for example, I would have to check everything, because of upload filter rules, and if other people uploaded or posted inappropriate stuff, then I might face legal consequences for it. This needs to be kept in mind.

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I'm just sort of discovering the fediverse "scene". I still have a lot of research to do, but decentralization is very appealing to me. I have some questions, and maybe the answers will help other people too:

* What aspects are currently priority for improvements?

* What are lower priority problems or features that could be started now and worked on at a slower pace?

* Where is a good place for someone with programming, networking, and/or engineering skills to start getting involved with development?

* What can someone with little-to-no programming/networking or related "technical" skills do to further the development and uptake of decentralized social media?

* Are there any suggestions for good reading on this topic, both technical and non-technical? Websites, books, people/groups to follow?

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Thankyou. Yes I currently use Murmur/Mumble + UnrealIRCd + phpBB for friends. Just exploring options. The UI's of my existing choices are a little dated.

Federation can be disabled and it will still work totally fine. I am just wondering why is it such a hard requirement for you to stop other people to follow someone else that is not part of your server? Costs?

Bleedover between communities. My circle of friends are isolationists.
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