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Phony diagnoses hide high rates of drugging at nursing homes

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Lol but guys medical fraud is suuuppperr rare... As I like to say: In Pharma we trust!

Nursing homes are part of the medical system, but they tend to be pretty disjoint in terms of the medical professionals who work at them. They're also regulated differently. Evidence of a particular kind of medical malpractice in the nursing industry isn't positive or negative evidence of any malpractice (much less fraud) anywhere else.

Oh, dang, I forgot how administering and prescribing medicine isn't part of the medical system. Thanks for correcting me.

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#12

Lol but guys medical fraud is suuuppperr rare... As I like to say: In Pharma we trust!

Nursing homes are part of the medical system, but they tend to be pretty disjoint in terms of the medical professionals who work at them. They're also regulated differently. Evidence of a particular kind of medical malpractice in the nursing industry isn't positive or negative evidence of any malpractice (much less fraud) anywhere else.

I'd say it does and should affect the reputation of the overall system.

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Antipsychotics have horrific side effects but are useful in institutional settings to make residents/patients/inmates easier to manage - psychiatry is the tool used to legitimize drugging people without need for their consent in such settings, for the benefit of others and the institution. It makes me despondent to read an article like this as I believe there are too many perverse incentives and cultural taboos for t…

Not all antipsychotics have horrible side effects. Let’s not lose nuance in response to the terrible unethical behavior depicted here. Modern antipsychotics often do good in helping people function when they wouldn’t otherwise be able to. The illnesses they treat are ones of terror and loneliness. I will note however that there’s no purpose in them here except to force submission, and that’s abuse and spits on the good that can be done.

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Non-paywall link: http://web.archive.org/web/20210911161128/https://www.nytime...

One nit: The article switches back and forth between incorrect schizophrenia diagnosis (11% of residents) and prescription antipsychotics (21% of residents), but those should be treated as separate topics. Antipsychotics can be beneficial in many conditions beyond schizophrenia, such as insomnia (at low doses), bipolar disorder, or depression (to boost efficacy of primary antidepressant treatments). The "antipsychotic" label is an unfortunate holdover from long ago, but the drugs are actually much more useful than they sound. Current generation antipsychotics also have significantly fewer risks than first-generation antipsychotics. The article's attempt to call them "chemical straightjackets" is a cheap shot at a class of medications that can be very beneficial for several conditions. Overprescription is a problem, but that doesn't mean all prescriptions are bad.

The truly alarming stat is buried deeper in the article: The fact that 1 in 9 nursing home residents is diagnosed with schizophrenia is way too high. Schizophrenic patients will be overrepresented in nursing homes because they are less able to care for themselves in old age, but that's still an unbelievably high number. These misdiagnoses are what we should be focused on.

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One of the most disgusting parts of western culture is how they relegate their old to these nursing homes.

What do other cultures do for people who can no longer take care of themselves?

Live in multi-generational family units where the family shares responsibility for (and benefits from) their own elders.

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Antipsychotics are not something to be handed out like candy. They have serious, sometimes permanent and sometimes fatal, side effects in anyone of any age. The article notes how that class of medication increases mortality in elderly people in particular. The fact that some people were prescribed haloperidol as the first line of treatment instead of a newer, safer antipsychotics also blows my mind. I'm terrified of…

The solution in my opinion to this problem is to permit euthanasia and for assisted suicide to become culturally accepted as an alternative to a drawn out death of dementia in a care home. The quality of life for many (not all) care home residents who are on these sorts of drug regimens is dire and in reality not entirely for their benefit, as is apparent to everyone including those responsible for oversight like Medicare. This system exists (primarily in the West) due to a combination of taboos surrounding death and profit/political incentives on the part of pharmaceutical and care home companies.

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One of the most disgusting parts of western culture is how they relegate their old to these nursing homes.

A lot of this has to do with a lack of resources. There isn't enough labor available at home to take of the elderly most of the time and the ones in a home typically require extensive care. My father and mother in law both went to a nursing home because they couldn't perform basic daily activities.

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FYI: for people who don't know what's really going on.

The homes in the US are prescribing unnecessary medication for 3 reasons:

1) To bill for the medication and dose administration.

2) To bill for the skilled nursing staff.

3) To make the resients more docile, reducing caretaking costs.

These perverse economic incentives greatly impact the residents' health.

It's important, especially in the US, for all patients to have an advocate (asking questions and helping to make good decisions) mediating between the patient and provider. Ideally that's a family member.

Besides over-medication risks, there are also lawyers fleecing the elderly out of their assets. It's low-risk to the lawyers because elderly patients die, and what's the family going to do - sue a lawyer?

Source: San Jose Mercury News has had several articles on this over the years.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do other cultures do for people who can no longer take care of themselves?

Live in multi-generational family units where the family shares responsibility for (and benefits from) their own elders.

I wonder about the generational demographics of different cultures and how that impacts things. Many western cultures have fewer children to bear the burden of taking care of the elderly. The populations are shrinking for native born.
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