Is september 11th some sort of special day?
Not funny
September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time
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Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time
#272Earlier quoted context omitted.
https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/design/a3524/427...
It's quite boringly predictable that someone would immediately link to a conspiracy debunking article. I have not mentioned anything whatsoever about a conspiracy theory. I merely stated that it is "curious", which it very much objectively is, no matter what else you choose to believe about the event. Also interesting is that if you actually read the official report that your link references, it does not provide a de…
The article literally describes what cause the building to collapse.
> After 7 hours of uncontrolled fires, a steel girder on Floor 13 lost its connection to one of the 81 columns supporting the building. Floor 13 collapsed, beginning a cascade of floor failures to Floor 5. Column 79, no longer supported by a girder, buckled, triggering a rapid succession of structural failures that moved from east to west. All 23 central columns, followed by the exterior columns, failed in what's known as a "progressive collapse"--that is, local damage that spreads from one structural element to another, eventually resulting in the collapse of the entire structure.
Perhaps read more than the headline and you would not think it so "curious".
Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time
#273In 2001 websites worked better than that.
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#274This site is interesting, but I was surprised to see some 9/11 conspiracy theory elements in the News Ticker. Specifically, the "Janitor Hears Explosion from WTC Basement" in the news ticker includes claims that an explosion occurred in the basement 40 seconds before the first plane impact. Some quick Googling shows that this janitor and another associate went on to try to build a careers on top of these conspiracy t…
I'm not sure how those things discredit the janitor.
Are you as critical of the politicians, who have built their livelihoods off of going around speaking to corporate interests?
What about the government officials who put out the 9/11 commission report, and were paid for it. Are they similarly implicated by the act of self promotion? Or does that distinction only apply to the janitors of the world?
Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time
#275This site is interesting, but I was surprised to see some 9/11 conspiracy theory elements in the News Ticker. Specifically, the "Janitor Hears Explosion from WTC Basement" in the news ticker includes claims that an explosion occurred in the basement 40 seconds before the first plane impact. Some quick Googling shows that this janitor and another associate went on to try to build a careers on top of these conspiracy t…
Other conspiracy theory stuff in the ticker: thermite conspiracy & something about ELTs going off before explosions. Surprised the creator didn't cram a remote control box mention in the ticker.
I hadn't seen the ELT stuff before, and a quick and lazy google didn't turn up a good debunking. Anyone have anything about ELTs being picked up @ 8:44 AM and ~8:59 AM?
I don't buy any of the conspiracies, just curious. The site is really awesome, regardless.
Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time
#276This site is interesting, but I was surprised to see some 9/11 conspiracy theory elements in the News Ticker. Specifically, the "Janitor Hears Explosion from WTC Basement" in the news ticker includes claims that an explosion occurred in the basement 40 seconds before the first plane impact. Some quick Googling shows that this janitor and another associate went on to try to build a careers on top of these conspiracy t…
Acoustics are weird. Memory is weird. It's possible he heard something of the explosion up top, mistook a reflected sound for something closer, then had it change on him as he retold it to himself and others until it was 40 seconds before and obviously close to the basement.
Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time
#277Earlier quoted context omitted.
https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/design/a3524/427...
It's quite boringly predictable that someone would immediately link to a conspiracy debunking article. I have not mentioned anything whatsoever about a conspiracy theory. I merely stated that it is "curious", which it very much objectively is, no matter what else you choose to believe about the event. Also interesting is that if you actually read the official report that your link references, it does not provide a de…
> It's quite boringly predictable that someone would immediately link to a conspiracy debunking article.
It's almost as if the only people still going on about "interesting questions" regarding the destruction of the WTC buildings after two decades of analysis and reports are burner-account conspiracy theorists more interested in fantastic cover-ups than in the ugly and "boring" truth.
It should indeed be no surprise that asking questions like a conspiracy theorist gets you directed to conspiracy theorist answers.
Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time
#278Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time
#279This site is interesting, but I was surprised to see some 9/11 conspiracy theory elements in the News Ticker. Specifically, the "Janitor Hears Explosion from WTC Basement" in the news ticker includes claims that an explosion occurred in the basement 40 seconds before the first plane impact. Some quick Googling shows that this janitor and another associate went on to try to build a careers on top of these conspiracy t…
I'm not sure how those things discredit the janitor. Are you as critical of the politicians, who have built their livelihoods off of going around speaking to corporate interests? What about the government officials who put out the 9/11 commission report, and were paid for it. Are they similarly implicated by the act of self promotion? Or does that distinction only apply to the janitors of the world?
> I'm not sure how those things discredit the janitor.
He claims there was a massive explosion that shook the walls, caused part of the ceiling to cave in, and other significant effects. The obvious source is the plane impact. If there were multiple explosions of the magnitude he claims, surely other people would have noted them.
And of course, the standard conspiracy theory caveats apply: Do you really believe that their was a massive conspiracy perpetrated by experts who can coordinate such things at scale, yet are also simultaneously so incompetent that they forgot to wait until the plane impact to start demolishing the building?
It's nonsense. I highlighted the speaking tour to explain how he has perverse incentives to be continue spreading the conspiracy theory.
EDIT: I removed a comment about common sense because it seems to be distracting people from the actual comment
Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time
#280I sometimes forget how surreal that day was. Was in high school at the time and sort of at “that age” where the world was still pretty small and revolved around me. Mom waking me up to say “you need to watch this,” with the TV on and both towers are on fire. The morning variety newscasters breaking their household familiarity speaking in a frightening shock that was so out of character. Still went to school that day…
> I think the pandemic has far more historical significance but nothing for me will feel more visceral than 9/11 It’s an interesting comparison, and one I make a lot. 9/11 was in your face, and a bunch of pre planned events were canceled. But that lasted about a week or a month (depending on the kind of event), and people could still gather in public and support each other. The pandemic was a much slower burn, but al…
The pandemic hasn't denied "us" anything... governments have mandated it, in many cases without scientific evidence, or in many others, in direct contradiction to it. Things cancelled in the wake of 9/11 were done organically, by the organizers, mostly out of respect, not because the government twisted their arm.