Would you really want your baby to be delivered by anti-vaxxers?
Sure, why not? With our first kid, we were frequently confused and frustrated by the goofy baggage that various ob-gyns had. Covid vaccine hesitancy wouldn't make my top 10 concerns.
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Re: NY hospital to pause baby deliveries after staffers quit over vaccine mandate
#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
What sort of monsters would willingly subject peaceful, healthy, informed strangers to state-mandated medication, under threat of impoverishment and ostracism?
One who understands that those “informed” strangers are making a decision that puts others at risk. Frankly, I do not understand why someone who presumably understands why second hand smoking and drunk driving are bad cannot transfer the same logic to being unvaccinated in the midst of a deadly and contagious plague.
Contagious? Yes. Deadly? Not really, especially for a novel virus.
That's the difference.
If we had a plague as bad as the Black Death, then yes, it would be deadly.
People will use the death numbers as counter-arguments, yet most deaths (94%-ish last I heard) are from people who had comorbidities, like obesity and such.
Until there is the same logic being applied to obese people as to the unvaccinated, as well as counting previous infections, especially for healthcare workers, I personally will not apply the same logic of smoking and drunk driving either.
Re: NY hospital to pause baby deliveries after staffers quit over vaccine mandate
#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
What sort of monsters would willingly subject peaceful, healthy, informed strangers to state-mandated medication, under threat of impoverishment and ostracism?
One who understands that those “informed” strangers are making a decision that puts others at risk. Frankly, I do not understand why someone who presumably understands why second hand smoking and drunk driving are bad cannot transfer the same logic to being unvaccinated in the midst of a deadly and contagious plague.
Frankly I do not understand why someone who believes the vaccine is effective should have any cause for concern over another's vaccination status.
Re: NY hospital to pause baby deliveries after staffers quit over vaccine mandate
#34What sort of monsters would willingly subject newborns to any additional risk of Covid?
Also consider that caregivers in maternity departments are predominantly women, so there may be cause for reluctance if they would like to have children in future and the concerns over fertility side-effects hold any water. If you are family-oriented yourself, you would understand that the bar for jeopardizing this future is extremely high.
That's a myth, though.
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseas...
Re: NY hospital to pause baby deliveries after staffers quit over vaccine mandate
#35From the sentiment on display so far; I'm wondering how long before we get advocates for involuntary vaccinations among the "essential workers" without whom our society will not function.
If half the Post Office quits over this, that system isn't going to restart quickly or easily. Multiply that by many others.
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#36Re: NY hospital to pause baby deliveries after staffers quit over vaccine mandate
#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
A healthcare professional who may already have antibodies from prior infection, and who therefore does not need a vaccine, perhaps.
From the CDC: "Yes, you should be vaccinated regardless of whether you already had COVID-19 because: * Research has not yet shown how long you are protected from getting COVID-19 again after you recover from COVID-19. * Vaccination helps protect you even if you’ve already had COVID-19. Evidence is emerging that people get better protection by being fully vaccinated compared with having had COVID-19. One study showed…
There are so many confounding variables that they can't make that statement without sounding like they're selling something.
Does it matter when people were infected? Does it matter if you got the shot after being infected? Hint: it probably does because you probably have more antibodies right after getting the shot.
In fact, they should do a study of uninfected vaccinated people who get infected. Do they have higher antibody counts after getting infected? They probably would. Does that mean that every vaccinated person should get infected too?
Re: NY hospital to pause baby deliveries after staffers quit over vaccine mandate
#38What sort of monsters would willingly subject newborns to any additional risk of Covid?
What sort of monsters would willingly subject peaceful, healthy, informed strangers to state-mandated medication, under threat of impoverishment and ostracism?
> state-mandated
Is is state-mandated or private-company-mandated?
> informed
Yeah you're going to have to work a little harder in order to get that one accepted.
> Strangers
They are people who are in constant contact with very vulnerable group. Personal liberty ends where other person's liberty begins.
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#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
Also consider that caregivers in maternity departments are predominantly women, so there may be cause for reluctance if they would like to have children in future and the concerns over fertility side-effects hold any water. If you are family-oriented yourself, you would understand that the bar for jeopardizing this future is extremely high.
That's a myth, though. https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseas...
There is no way that we could know whether that's a myth simply because the vaccines have not existed long enough to know for sure.
Re: NY hospital to pause baby deliveries after staffers quit over vaccine mandate
#40Rural hospital full of clearly unqualified medical staff. Who cares? I would not want my wife giving birth there covid or not.
What makes them unqualified?