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Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by TedDoesntTalk »

dharmab wrote: post #19
sharkweek wrote: post #5

I sometimes forget how surreal that day was. Was in high school at the time and sort of at “that age” where the world was still pretty small and revolved around me. Mom waking me up to say “you need to watch this,” with the TV on and both towers are on fire. The morning variety newscasters breaking their household familiarity speaking in a frightening shock that was so out of character. Still went to school that day…

There are very few days in history where so much changes in a single day. There's a very clear "before and after". In my opinion, the 1990s began on Nov 9 1989 and ended on Sep 11 2001.

Yes. I remember very well President Bush saying these attacks will not change America. I wish I could find a quote.

One of the things it changed dramatically was air travel. Remember meeting family/friends at their arrival gate as they walked off the plane? Remember getting through "security" in a few minutes because the lines moved so fast?

In the 1980s and early 1990s, my father routinely disassembled pistols and put them in his checked luggage so he could target shoot at his destinations. Imagine doing that today.

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adwi wrote: post #173
542458 wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Re: Indian Point - containment buildings are pretty armoured by design. The Indian point containment vessel walls are several feet of high-grade steel reinforced concrete. You might be thinking of the skinny, low quality rebar used in common construction at this point - this isn’t that, the rebar here is 2.25 inches thick, made of good-quality steel, and spaced every fifteen inches or so. The containment building is…

> The containment building is also smaller than a 747, so you can’t transfer the entire plane’s energy to it like you could with a larger target like the towers. I know very little about physics and found this to be an unexpected point I’d like to understand more. Could you explain?

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Post by mannanj »

mannanj wrote: post #175
mannanj wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree. I believe these were similar operations with psyops incorporated like the CIAs mkultra, interventions and assassinations in Spanish countries where it instilled dictators to encourage democracy, and even the covid psyops it is participating in today.

Examples: https://listverse.com/2013/05/25/10-dirty-secret-cia-operati...

Related to what’s likely going on with COVID today:

Operation Mockingbird was a bit of a two-pronged approach to dealing with the media: on the one hand, journalists were routinely employed by the CIA to develop intelligence and gather information, or to report on certain events in a way that portrayed the US favorably. On the other, there were actual plants within the media—paid off with bribes or even directly employed by the CIA—to feed propaganda to the American public

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Post by benatkin »

Tenoke wrote: post #36

I was 9 and angry that they interupted my tv show to show news (adult stuff) from the other side of the world. 20 years later and I have a better understanding of the situation but in a lot of ways I think everyone reacted and keeps reacting just how the terrorists wanted. It's tragic but if this wasn't in America I likely wouldnt have even heard about the event nor would it be influencing my life this much later due…

This is not unlike comparisons of 9/11 to the pandemic. The buildings (and NYC skyline) aren't as important as the lives that were lost, but it causes a different and more prolonged response. And it isn't just "look what those terrorists did", it's "I can't believe those buildings are gone".

Saying they're gone reminds me of Mark Pilgrim's 410 Gone incident. It's analogous to me.

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Post by rsync »

I hitchhiked and walked to New York 20 years ago today.

I had my firefighter and medic credentials faxed to FEMA and then went into ground zero for ~24 hours to dig.

I wrote about all of this, later, in what became cDc t-file #396.[1]

[1] https://web.archive.org/web/20041208005336/http://www.cultde...

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Post by rastafang »

lmilcin wrote: post #128

@dang, can we get the obvious spam crap removed somehow? Maybe instantly hide or at least minimize dead content? Or maybe restrict discussion to people who get at least some karma?

The default is to hide dead content... i.e.: showdead: NO... you must have changed the settings along the way

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Post by trothamel »

jazzyjackson wrote: post #159
JamilD wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not quite an answer to your question, but in the 60s and 70s hijackings were quite common (86 hijackings in 1969) and weren’t seen in the way they are now. The common understanding was that the hijackers wanted to re-route the plane somewhere else, and that everyone would end up alive but inconvenienced. It’s also one reason why only the passengers in United 93 fought back; the idea of a plane as a missile wasn’t wid…

I thought I remembered the plot to the 1996 film “executive decision” as being a debate whether to shoot the passenger jet out of the sky because the plane was going to be used as a missile, but i just read the plot again and they were going to detonate a nerve agent bomb on board the plane while over a us city, so, similar but not quite a prediction of the predicament.

(Spoilers)

The end of Tom Clancy's 1994 book "Debt of Honor" featured a 747 being crashed into the Capital, which is about as close as fiction gets.

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Post by cultofmetatron »

on this day several years ago, one of my mom's friends was on her way home when a random white asshole rolled down his windshield and screamed "Iranian bitch" at her. She was terrified and came to our house. My sister was convinced that they were going to start rounding us up. My dad put up a patriotic flag, not out fo patriotism, but out of fear of retaliation by people who didn't think we were patriotic enough. None of us are Iranian or middle eastern but given the climate, everyone that even looked like they could be from that region were terrified.

Fun times, I think its a reason I generally like to stay outside the united states these days.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by scotty79 »

My life partner died on 9/11. Not that 9/11. Two years ago. Because of a brain tumor.

That personal 9/11 will always overshadow for me the one that this site is about. The one that from my point of view was a kind of natural disaster caused by fifth elemental force, the force of human stupidity. The one that triggered secondary wave of human stupidity that toppled any illusion that USA is a righteous and effective country that anyone could still have. Terrorists really did hurt USA on 9/11 but 99% of the ultimate damage was self inflicted.

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