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Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by tablespoon »

mannanj wrote: post #156

Unpopular question, how did a plane and jet fuel burn down a steel reinforced building? I believe in the entire history of buildings built as the world trade centers were, the only ones ever that burned down and collapse are these. The only way as civil engineers have explained it to me, that the buildings structural qualities could have been compromised, are with additional heat sources besides a jet and jet fuel. I…

> Unpopular question, how did a plane and jet fuel burn down a steel reinforced building?

That's the germ of a bunch of 20 year old paranoid conspiracy theories, basically the 2001 version of COVID denialism.

If you're asking a genuine question, there are decades-old engineering analyses and all kind of layman's translations of them that explain it. I'm sure they can be easily Googled.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by mannanj »

tablespoon wrote: post #171
mannanj wrote: post #156

Unpopular question, how did a plane and jet fuel burn down a steel reinforced building? I believe in the entire history of buildings built as the world trade centers were, the only ones ever that burned down and collapse are these. The only way as civil engineers have explained it to me, that the buildings structural qualities could have been compromised, are with additional heat sources besides a jet and jet fuel. I…

> Unpopular question, how did a plane and jet fuel burn down a steel reinforced building? That's the germ of a bunch of 20 year old paranoid conspiracy theories, basically the 2001 version of COVID denialism. If you're asking a genuine question, there are decades-old engineering analyses and all kind of layman's translations of them that explain it. I'm sure they can be easily Googled.

None of them ELI5, as I’ve originally asked. I’d love an ELI5 perspective. Thank you.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by adwi »

542458 wrote: post #107
photochemsyn wrote: post #62

When reviewing 9/11 attacks (likely the biggest and most disastrous intelligence failure in U.S. history, give or take Pearl Harbor), it's worth remembering that it could have been much worse. If the first plane had hit Indian Point nuclear reactor what, 30 miles from NYC and upwind? It's likely a Chernobyl/Fukushima disaster would have resulted with an exclusion zone well into NYC. That was reportedly part of the pl…

Re: Indian Point - containment buildings are pretty armoured by design. The Indian point containment vessel walls are several feet of high-grade steel reinforced concrete. You might be thinking of the skinny, low quality rebar used in common construction at this point - this isn’t that, the rebar here is 2.25 inches thick, made of good-quality steel, and spaced every fifteen inches or so. The containment building is…

> The containment building is also smaller than a 747, so you can’t transfer the entire plane’s energy to it like you could with a larger target like the towers.

I know very little about physics and found this to be an unexpected point I’d like to understand more. Could you explain?

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by sweetbitter »

davidw wrote: post #12

I'm old enough to have pretty vivid memories of watching a lot of this live. I don't really want to relive it. Keep the memories alive? Certainly. But rewatching? Too much. Also, while we can't change the past, we're facing a massive challenge that is devouring thousands of people on a daily basis; let's commit to doing everything we can to defeat that particular monster. That is something we can all help with, in ou…

Well, some of us never saw it in the first place.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by mannanj »

mannanj wrote: post #167
danielovichdk wrote: post #106

Being old enough to remember this very vividly. Sitting in an office in Denmark - the world did change. All the political acts around terrorim that followed has been a sad experience. I never truly believed in these Arabs was clever enough to pull of this stunt, and the amount of missing evidence from that date is to much. Sad day to remember but even more sad that people still don't demand answers

I agree. I believe these were similar operations with psyops incorporated like the CIAs mkultra, interventions and assassinations in Spanish countries where it instilled dictators to encourage democracy, and even the covid psyops it is participating in today.

Examples: https://listverse.com/2013/05/25/10-dirty-secret-cia-operati...

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by neltnerb »

davidw wrote: post #12

I'm old enough to have pretty vivid memories of watching a lot of this live. I don't really want to relive it. Keep the memories alive? Certainly. But rewatching? Too much. Also, while we can't change the past, we're facing a massive challenge that is devouring thousands of people on a daily basis; let's commit to doing everything we can to defeat that particular monster. That is something we can all help with, in ou…

I'm with you, I remember watching these when I left my very first physics lecture as a freshman. I have no trouble remembering it, so I assume this is mostly for people who have never seen it.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by hutzlibu »

ISL wrote: post #44

If watching this footage makes you want to stand up and do something, remember that Covid-19 is killing as many people in the US every two days as died in these attacks. Take small steps to make the world a better place, helping your neighbors, and you can take a stand against entropy.

And maybe do not forget the >360 000 dead civilians the war on terror has cost so far. Innocent bystanders, whose relatives now might feel a urge to join the real terrorists as the only means for them to get revenge, too. Endless cycle.

"War on terror" is just a ugly concept and not one that seem to work.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/911-civili...

Oh and something that does not get too much attention, either:

the taliban back then only refused to hand over Bin Laden without evidence presented, that he indeed was responsible, which at that time was not at all clear. And even till date, there never was a proper criminal investigation and court ruling about it all. Probably because of the Saudi connections.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by rejectedandsad »

diskzero wrote: post #151
rejectedandsad wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I was at work at Apple in IL2 (Building 2 of the Infinite Loop campus.) You were at work at 6-7AM?

Yes, I was that day. And I had probably been there since 6:00 am the previous day. Pulling multiple all-nighters on various "super important" projects was typical for me and others. In retrospect, my advice is not to do such things, but it seemed like a good idea at the time. The email and all the security events happened right after the second plane hit, which seemed like it was closer to normal start of day hours.

Fair, 2001 was a pivot point for Apple's history too.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by jsgo »

dharmab wrote: post #168
mlcrypto wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Too many coincidences. Also we couldn't mobilize any fighter jets at all when a plane goes off course?

This is covered in the 9/11 commission report. Quoted below: The protocols did not contemplate an intercept. They assumed the fighter escort would be discreet, “vectored to a position five miles directly behind the hijacked aircraft,” where it could perform its mission to monitor the flight path of the aircraft. In sum, the protocols in place on 9/11 for the FAA and NORAD to respond to a hijacking presumed that: (1)…

Yeah, I don’t think 3 can be overstated.

Prior to 911, hijacked planes were not an unknown thing. I don’t know numbers, but remember periodic events in the news of x plane that was hijacked landing at y airport with local officials needing to meet hijacker demands for it to return to its flight.

Was weird when it happened, but we also didn’t have the hour of processing through security we do now.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by whoisburbansky »

adwi wrote: post #173
542458 wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Re: Indian Point - containment buildings are pretty armoured by design. The Indian point containment vessel walls are several feet of high-grade steel reinforced concrete. You might be thinking of the skinny, low quality rebar used in common construction at this point - this isn’t that, the rebar here is 2.25 inches thick, made of good-quality steel, and spaced every fifteen inches or so. The containment building is…

> The containment building is also smaller than a 747, so you can’t transfer the entire plane’s energy to it like you could with a larger target like the towers. I know very little about physics and found this to be an unexpected point I’d like to understand more. Could you explain?

The plane isn’t perfectly rigid, so it would only be able to impart as much energy to the structure as contained in the part of the plane that gets sheared off while colliding with the containment building.
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