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Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by polytely » Sat, Sep 11, 2021, 5:41 PM UTC

tommymachine wrote: post #127

polytely wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not what I wrote at all. But to respond to your point(?) covid patients that get sick enough to go to the ICU are there for a long time, while heart patients get better (or die) significantly faster, I recently heard an ICU doctor say on TV here (the Netherlands) that a covid ICU bed could help up to 8 heart patients, which makes it extra important to reduce the amount of covid cases.

Do heart disease and cancer exacerbate covid conditions, putting more people in icu (and for longer) than if they didn't have those comorbidities?

Yes of course, just make your point already, this is not a chat, try to write a complete post.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by tommymachine » Sat, Sep 11, 2021, 5:44 PM UTC

corpo_punisho wrote: post #126

tommymachine wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So heart disease and cancer don't take up ICU beds?

COVID is incredibly dangerous primarily because of how it is spread, not primarily because sick people are taking up hospital beds. The pandemic is first and foremost a health issue, not a resource issue.

So the reports of "triage" problems and overwhelmed ICU units is a fabricated issue?

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by koboll » Sat, Sep 11, 2021, 5:44 PM UTC

Cool site, but the News Ticker is absolutely infested with debunked 9/11 truther "evidence". (Go to the point where the first plane hits and the point where each tower collapses, and you'll see what I mean.)

The whole thing kinda seems like a sly attempt by a truther to indoctrinate schoolkids. A little distasteful.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by toast0 » Sat, Sep 11, 2021, 5:44 PM UTC

tommymachine wrote: post #114

polytely wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Heart disease and cancer aren't contagious, so your actions on that front will only improve your own life, while being a bit more careful with covid will potentially prevent sickness in a lot of people.

So heart disease and cancer don't take up ICU beds?

Heart disease and cancer have a steady demand for ICU beds at a population level (maybe a little bit peaky for heart disease around stressful times of year like DST changes and family gathering holidays), so demand can be forecast and supply can be adjusted over time to meet the demand.

OTOH, a pandemic with high peaks of demand is hard to plan for. And having excess capacity on hand for such an occasion is hard when everyone is always upset about how expensive healthcare is.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by polytely » Sat, Sep 11, 2021, 5:46 PM UTC

chitowneats wrote: post #130

polytely wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fair point, but from a perspective of effort vs potential lives saved, self-quarantining when sick, avoiding large crowds & meeting in well ventilated spaces is probably easier than adopting a healthier lifestyle. But yeah, we should also live healthier!

Absolutely. Everyone should self-quarantine when sick. Is it your sense that large numbers of Americans aren't doing this? Anecdotally, I haven't seen a visibly sick person, outside of my immediate family, in a long, long time (needless to say, I don't work in a healthcare setting). Arguably, retrofitting every important building in the country to be well ventilated is a challenge on a similar scale to changing our d…

Not American (I'm in the Netherlands) so I wouldn't know, but looking at the graphs it seems like there are a lot of contagions happening.

I was getting take out a couple of weeks ago and a woman brought her coughing child to the restaurant, which doesn't seem great, so I have noticed people being less alert now that a significant portion of people has been vaccinated here.

>Arguably, retrofitting every important building in the country to be well ventilated is a challenge on a similar scale to changing our deeply ingrained unhealthy cultural habits.

Yeah, I hadn't looked at it that way, but that's indeed a big task.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by acwan93 » Sat, Sep 11, 2021, 5:46 PM UTC

diskzero wrote: post #124

Watching the footage on this site reminds me of how I watched the events unfold on 9/11. I was at work at Apple in IL2 (Building 2 of the Infinite Loop campus.) People started getting calls on their desk phones and co-workers coming in started to share the news. An email came from Steve Jobs which I can't remember the exact contents of. One thing the email did have, was a link that was a live video news stream of the…

How much of Apple’s current security measures were a result of 9/11? The parking garage, tailgating, and badging everywhere i always thought were due to Apple’s culture of secrecy.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by stjohnswarts » Sat, Sep 11, 2021, 5:46 PM UTC

Nice idea. I personally can't go back to that day via something like this but I appreciate the historical necessity for such things in the age of the internet and information.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by tommymachine » Sat, Sep 11, 2021, 5:47 PM UTC

polytely wrote: post #131

tommymachine wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do heart disease and cancer exacerbate covid conditions, putting more people in icu (and for longer) than if they didn't have those comorbidities?

Yes of course, just make your point already, this is not a chat, try to write a complete post.

So you're not winning the argument to take away my medical freedom, so now you want to tell me how I'm supposed to post on here? Addicted to tyranny much?

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by HWR_14 » Sat, Sep 11, 2021, 5:47 PM UTC

pbourke wrote: post #20

sharkweek wrote: post #5

I sometimes forget how surreal that day was. Was in high school at the time and sort of at “that age” where the world was still pretty small and revolved around me. Mom waking me up to say “you need to watch this,” with the TV on and both towers are on fire. The morning variety newscasters breaking their household familiarity speaking in a frightening shock that was so out of character. Still went to school that day…

> I think the pandemic has far more historical significance I’m not sure about that. Without 9/11, there would be no wars, perhaps no Obama, etc. It altered the arc of history in a profound way. The recent Frontline episode “America after 9/11”[0] draws a through-line from 9/11 to the events of Jan 6 at the U.S. Capitol. [0] https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/america-after-9-11/

It's a little disingenuous to use 20 years of history to say it's a more significant event and then using the follow on results. In another 18.5 years, people could be talking about how the pandemic triggered the second US Civil War, or led to a complete reimagination of US race relations, or ushered in a communist takeover or something.

Re: September 11, 2001 media synced in real-time

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Post by rejectedandsad » Sat, Sep 11, 2021, 5:48 PM UTC

diskzero wrote: post #124

Watching the footage on this site reminds me of how I watched the events unfold on 9/11. I was at work at Apple in IL2 (Building 2 of the Infinite Loop campus.) People started getting calls on their desk phones and co-workers coming in started to share the news. An email came from Steve Jobs which I can't remember the exact contents of. One thing the email did have, was a link that was a live video news stream of the…

> I was at work at Apple in IL2 (Building 2 of the Infinite Loop campus.)

You were at work at 6-7AM?