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The Privacy Lesson of 9/11: Mass Surveillance Is Not the Way Forward

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Re: The Privacy Lesson of 9/11: Mass Surveillance Is Not the Way Forward

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> Congress must ensure that the next generation of Americans is able to speak and associate freely

This is a bit ironic considering that the ACLU has abandoned many of its principled civil liberties stances of the past, including defense of free speech, and mostly turned into a progressive political organization. Some articles covering this change at the ACLU:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/06/us/aclu-free-speech.html

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/the-disinte...

On the topic of privacy, it is strange to see the ACLU speak against mass surveillance when they recently flip flopped on vaccine mandates, which are fundamentally about bodily autonomy and health privacy:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2021/09/why-acl...

Re: The Privacy Lesson of 9/11: Mass Surveillance Is Not the Way Forward

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This is from the ACLU nagware banner:

"Efforts to erase voting rights, trans rights, and abortion rights for millions of people are escalating across the country. We’re responding on all fronts — from courts to legislatures in all 50 states, D.C., and Puerto Rico — but we need your help to win."

Has the mission statement changed? Why are trans people, who are on every front page daily as needing more rights, being dragged into this? Why is Snowden not mentioned?

Seems that organization has been successfully infiltrated as well.

Re: The Privacy Lesson of 9/11: Mass Surveillance Is Not the Way Forward

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post #7

This is from the ACLU nagware banner: "Efforts to erase voting rights, trans rights, and abortion rights for millions of people are escalating across the country. We’re responding on all fronts — from courts to legislatures in all 50 states, D.C., and Puerto Rico — but we need your help to win." Has the mission statement changed? Why are trans people, who are on every front page daily as needing more rights, being dr…

The ACLU has definitely been taken over by partisans who are more interested in defending political positions rather than sticking to basic civil liberties principles. This article, titled “The Disintegration of the ACLU”, covers the changes in leadership and culture:

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/the-disinte...

Re: The Privacy Lesson of 9/11: Mass Surveillance Is Not the Way Forward

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post #7

This is from the ACLU nagware banner: "Efforts to erase voting rights, trans rights, and abortion rights for millions of people are escalating across the country. We’re responding on all fronts — from courts to legislatures in all 50 states, D.C., and Puerto Rico — but we need your help to win." Has the mission statement changed? Why are trans people, who are on every front page daily as needing more rights, being dr…

Because trans people deserve basic civil liberties? And who better to fight for them than the American Civil Liberties Union

Re: The Privacy Lesson of 9/11: Mass Surveillance Is Not the Way Forward

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After reading the post, I fail to see any connection between 9/11 and the fact that mass surveillance is not the way forward.

The article is also empty of any reason WHY mass surveillance would not be the way forward, or even why it should not be.

This is a particularly useless article.

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