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Why Firefox has been in decline for 12 years

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Re: Why Firefox has been in decline for 12 years

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Post by ndiddy »

phillipseamore wrote: post #74
Yoric wrote: post #60

I have an alternative set of explanations regarding why Firefox is seeing a continuous decline for the last 12 years. 1. Mozilla is competing against Google. Numbers are not public but I would be surprised if Google didn't have 10x more people working on Chrome vs. the number of people working on Firefox. 2. Mozilla is competing against Google. Numbers are again not public but I remember reading estimates that the eq…

To points 1-4, where would FF be without $400m a year from Google?

I suspect Google thinks the $400m/year is worth not having to deal with antitrust proceedings due to having a competing desktop browser.

Re: Why Firefox has been in decline for 12 years

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Post by will4274 »

Yoric wrote: post #60

I have an alternative set of explanations regarding why Firefox is seeing a continuous decline for the last 12 years. 1. Mozilla is competing against Google. Numbers are not public but I would be surprised if Google didn't have 10x more people working on Chrome vs. the number of people working on Firefox. 2. Mozilla is competing against Google. Numbers are again not public but I remember reading estimates that the eq…

Um. A "hapless victim" of the US culture wars? Mozilla quite deliberately committed suicide - they bought a fucking fireworks show to announce to the world that if you had views as conservative or more conservative that the average American, you had a permanent glass ceiling for your employment at Mozilla. Now they struggle to hire developers over the age of 25 - who would have guessed?

Describing the prosecutors of a culture wars as the victims of that same culture war is a bizarre doublespeak.

Re: Why Firefox has been in decline for 12 years

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Post by adtac »

caoilte wrote: post #29
greypowerOz wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i use ffox on android because (for some reason) it's the only one I'm aware of that has ublock origin addon...( happy to be proven wrong :) I also used to use reader mode once in a while...

Me too. Bit I also haven't updated it in over a year in order to avoid the awful rewrite.

not updating browsers is a huge security risk

Re: Why Firefox has been in decline for 12 years

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Post by WhyNotHugo »

dTal wrote: post #76
Yoric wrote: post #60

I have an alternative set of explanations regarding why Firefox is seeing a continuous decline for the last 12 years. 1. Mozilla is competing against Google. Numbers are not public but I would be surprised if Google didn't have 10x more people working on Chrome vs. the number of people working on Firefox. 2. Mozilla is competing against Google. Numbers are again not public but I remember reading estimates that the eq…

>many properties that don't/didn't work or work correctly with Firefox could be made to magically work if you changed your user agent to Chrome. Pretty damning that Google was never slammed with a huge fine for anti-competitive behavior for that.

Chrome is just the new IE.

I've been saying this for over a decade, and facts like just continue to make this clear.

Re: Why Firefox has been in decline for 12 years

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Post by [deleted] »

mithusingh32 wrote: post #61
Xevi wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I switched from Firefox on Android to Brave. Not because I like Brave, but because I disliked the new UI in Firefox. Brave also had much better performance for JavaScript and CSS animations.

I tried brave. But I constantly had ads on it. It would block trackers and ads on websites but if I was to open a few tab it would have crypto ads or some other nonsense.

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Re: Why Firefox has been in decline for 12 years

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Post by roca »

Yoric wrote: post #60

I have an alternative set of explanations regarding why Firefox is seeing a continuous decline for the last 12 years. 1. Mozilla is competing against Google. Numbers are not public but I would be surprised if Google didn't have 10x more people working on Chrome vs. the number of people working on Firefox. 2. Mozilla is competing against Google. Numbers are again not public but I remember reading estimates that the eq…

This is certainly much closer to the mark than an article that leads with "tabs on top".

It's easy and fun to point to half a dozen of your favourite Mozilla missteps over more than a decade and say "those are why Mozilla is losing". Maybe if Mozilla had done none of them, they wouldn't be losing. But in reality every vendor makes missteps. It's the unrelenting competition from Google that really made the difference, via the avenues you mention and others.

Re: Why Firefox has been in decline for 12 years

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Post by bombcar »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #90
bjt2n3904 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, isn't this a bit like saying, "I left Windows for Ubuntu because of the invasive privacy concerns I had... But man Unity is terrible, I'm going back to Windows!" If privacy is the ultimate concern, I can suffer usability. I think the real issue is we've stopped advocating for privacy loudly and publicly. All the users know is convenience.

That's how everybody is here. Nobody takes a principled stand when it involves even the slightest sacrifice.

But they’re sure to let you know that all things being equal they’d certainly take the principled option.

Re: Why Firefox has been in decline for 12 years

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Post by roca »

yosamino wrote: post #8

I use Firefox exclusively, but the only thing I can think of to write in this box are all the unneccessary frustrations they are putting me through. The list is long . Item one: Why does Mozilla have so many ways to file bugs* ? Which is a pity, because, besides the fact that Chrome has almost all of the marketshare, they also basically own Mozilla financially (is this still correct ?) and technologically Firefox use…

Skia and Harfbuzz are relatively small components compared to the rest of the engine.

Also there's really only one way to file bugs: bugzilla.mozilla.org.

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