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Why Firefox has been in decline for 12 years

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Re: Why Firefox has been in decline for 12 years

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... and replaces them with more ads directly in the user interface (e.g. the new tab screen).

a) can be disabled b) not in any way like the ads you would encounter on businessinsider or similar.

a) not when I last used it, there was an ongoing issue on GitHub, b) so?

Re: Why Firefox has been in decline for 12 years

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Longtime Firefox user here. Oddly I have no problem with Tabs on top (I prefer that UI design), low contrast between tabs (there are favicons and text which clearly indicate the tabs, I am not lacking anything to make out where a tab is), removing XUL (only using few add-ons and those transitioned), performance (is fine for me on a macbook pro). Sometimes it feels to me as if there is a trend to bash on weaker projects like fediverse, encryption projects, open source browsers, ...

For me the main argument to use Firefox is not living in the Google universe which is quite a huge value in itself and the fact that it is open source.

Oh and they finally added proper dark mode on macOS and did quite some work for Firefox to look and feel more at home on macOS in the last versions. This is really nice to see and appreciated.

Btw Firefox has seen a bottom in 2021 June and user numbers have been going up slightly since then: https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/desktop/worl...

Re: Why Firefox has been in decline for 12 years

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That's the vicious circle: 1. Google basically controls the web. 2. Whenever a new Web API shows up, browser vendors have to decide between implementing the standard and copying the bugs, exotic behaviors and extensions that are implemented in Chromium. 3. Websites are tested on Chromium, so they start to rely on Chromium's bugs, exotic behaviors and extensions. 4. When a website breaks in Firefox (or Safari), people…

I can blame whoever I want, but at the end of the day, the problem that I have to deal with is the user saying - Teams doesn't work. What am I supposed to do with it?

Honestly (you may not like the answer) I tell users "try a different browser".

Re: Why Firefox has been in decline for 12 years

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There's a theory in the Free Software community that BigTech sponsorship of Mozilla was intended to bring about the current state of affairs. The idea is that MS, Google, and others really have no reason to donate to a direct competitor. Perhaps they did so because they knew it would give them control. That control was exercised over the years and now Mozilla is more a social justice advocacy organization than a foun…

Well, once upon a time, Microsoft invested quite a bit of money in Apple to keep them alive. Allegedly, they did this so they could tell the DoJ with a straight face that they were not a monopolist, after all they had a competitor.

I would not be surprised if Google's support for Mozilla is based on similar reasoning.

Re: Why Firefox has been in decline for 12 years

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> Firefox performs best on Linux I find that hard to believe considering no hardware accelerated video playback (although other linux browsers also have the same problem). At the very least, I think that statement needs to be qualified with a "under certain use cases".

Firefox has had HW-accelerated video playback under Wayland for a few months now. Along with per-monitor mixed-/high-dpi support it is by far the best browser on Linux atm.

With NVIDIA gpu support?

Re: Why Firefox has been in decline for 12 years

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I agree with this opinion piece. Firefox is a product strangely hostile to its core userbase. It's almost like they've been deliberately trying to sabotage themselves for years. I don't use it because I approve of all their stupid pigheaded UI choices, I use it because it has been the least bad option despite those choices. That might not go on for much longer, though.

i use ffox on android because (for some reason) it's the only one I'm aware of that has ublock origin addon...( happy to be proven wrong :) I also used to use reader mode once in a while...

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Re: Why Firefox has been in decline for 12 years

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i use ffox on android because (for some reason) it's the only one I'm aware of that has ublock origin addon...( happy to be proven wrong :) I also used to use reader mode once in a while...

Me too. Bit I also haven't updated it in over a year in order to avoid the awful rewrite.

The new updated Firefox on Android is better than the old one

Re: Why Firefox has been in decline for 12 years

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Tabs on top correlates to Chrome coming out and dominating the market then Firefox playing catch up. That's why usage is down. Chrome. It was actually a better browser for a long time and Firefox made the effort of aping the good ideas the Chrome team had.

It's finally pretty close and surpasses Chrome on many fronts but turning the tides is pretty hard.

I agree that listening to users is important but some users hold you back in a competitive market. Firefox takes cpu in the background because websites have JavaScript code and so do plugins. Chrome does the same thing.

Re: Why Firefox has been in decline for 12 years

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I agree with this opinion piece. Firefox is a product strangely hostile to its core userbase. It's almost like they've been deliberately trying to sabotage themselves for years. I don't use it because I approve of all their stupid pigheaded UI choices, I use it because it has been the least bad option despite those choices. That might not go on for much longer, though.

I mean, isn't this a bit like saying, "I left Windows for Ubuntu because of the invasive privacy concerns I had... But man Unity is terrible, I'm going back to Windows!" If privacy is the ultimate concern, I can suffer usability. I think the real issue is we've stopped advocating for privacy loudly and publicly. All the users know is convenience.

That's how everybody is here. Nobody takes a principled stand when it involves even the slightest sacrifice.
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