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Travel planning software: The most common bad startup idea (2012)

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Re: Travel planning software: The most common bad startup idea (2012)

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Ok, but why the @#% doesn't Facebook make it easy to know which of my old friends are living in cities I visit? I swear that would be the one obviously useful thing about Facebook.

The craziest thing is they used to make this easy with the social graph search or whatever they called it. Now if it's possible it's really hidden.

There is a nearby friends map, but it only works for people who have consented for Facebook to track their location 24/7.

I've played around with building an app that uses the Facebook API (and other social networks) to get people's current "Lives in" city, and location updates from recent posts, and aggregate them all in a map. I found it a bit hard to get this information from the APIs, and never had the time to figure out how to get it to work.

Re: Travel planning software: The most common bad startup idea (2012)

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I had founded Flights With Friends for group travel planning shortly before this post. I read it when it came out but knew the point about travel being rare wasn't the cause of these product failures. The trouble with trip planning software is that making one that is 10X better than just planning it manually is very, very difficult. People love thinking about their trip and online tools don't make that more fun for t…

> Because most people are always planning their next trip in their mind.

Source? That doesn't fit my experience

Re: Travel planning software: The most common bad startup idea (2012)

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post #27

I had founded Flights With Friends for group travel planning shortly before this post. I read it when it came out but knew the point about travel being rare wasn't the cause of these product failures. The trouble with trip planning software is that making one that is 10X better than just planning it manually is very, very difficult. People love thinking about their trip and online tools don't make that more fun for t…

I disagree. Most people love to imagine vacations, but then they realize they have to pay for it. It's only a minority that is "always planning their next trip in their mind", at least where I live. We all have a vague idea of where we wanna go next, but going from vague idea to realization is not very fun for most people. Realization is fun, or at least should be. Tourism is actually dead, and most people feel that…

I don’t find being a “tourist” is fun. It’s superficial experiences that aren’t the actual culture of a place and often are designed to take money from you as quickly as possible (Tourist Traps).

It’s also long lines, crowds, influencers taking selfies and vlogs, and, one of the worst things I’ve found: experiences designed to make it feel like you’re a “baller” having a special night out. These will be 3 star quality experiences that are charged at 5 star prices. How much you paid is almost supposed to be a bragging right.

But the problem is, getting “off the beaten path” only works for so many people before the beaten path changes. Same with “the best kept secret” or “local hangouts”. These can only take so many people before they are no longer a secret or the scales tip to no longer be for locals. And blogs about unique experiences at a place work, but then fall apart if too many people do them.

Don’t get me wrong - tourism has its place, and I appreciate doing the classic “tourist” stuff at certain locations. But my best meal in Paris? A restaurant counter off the beaten path. The worst? A top 20 Yelp restaurant where they routed us to the tourist dining room filled with other Americans looking for a quintessential Parisian experience.

But finding a few locals to make solid recommendations would be quite useful before going to a new city. Google maps is good for that, but we still miss certain things.

Lastly, it’s extremely beneficial to know what to avoid and what to seek out in a given location. Like some people may not know that there are certain months to get crabs in Maryland. Or that crawfish season is in the spring. Or that, like an idiot, you shouldn’t order a lager off the menu at a restaurant in London without knowing that you’re about to be handed a £5 can of Brooklyn Lager from their imports (we could not find a local pub, and I could not find local beer…).

Re: Travel planning software: The most common bad startup idea (2012)

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post #141

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The craziest thing is they used to make this easy with the social graph search or whatever they called it. Now if it's possible it's really hidden.

There is a nearby friends map, but it only works for people who have consented for Facebook to track their location 24/7. I've played around with building an app that uses the Facebook API (and other social networks) to get people's current "Lives in" city, and location updates from recent posts, and aggregate them all in a map. I found it a bit hard to get this information from the APIs, and never had the time to fi…

I dislike FB sooooooo much. It sucks all the air out of the room for online social engagements.

Re: Travel planning software: The most common bad startup idea (2012)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Said more succinctly: It's hard to make a successful product that reduces the time people spend doing something they love to do. Some ways I could imagine addressing this and the problem the article talks about: * Aim to make travel planning not easier (i.e. less time-consuming) but more fun. Treat the app more like a game or media app where users spend more time planning their trip by using the app in enjoyable ways…

I dunno. I am surprised that there isn't something like "walk score" for a "visit score" - especially one where the score is based on what you want to do on your visit. I get that when you're traveling to a new city, you usually have an idea for what neighborhood you want to stay in. A lot of cities - there's only 1-3 neighborhoods that are walkable and good for tourists. Still, I'm surprised there's not an easy way…

Since you mention this, could you provide thoughts on our project if you have a moment?

SAFEROUTE: WALK ROUTING VIA BEST LIT PATHS: https://github.com/kineticadb/saferun/blob/master/start-here...

We're in the process of app-ifying this, though as a fun project and not a business. The idea would be to identify walking routes optimized by a variety of factors:

- best lit (for safety)

- most beautiful

- best mobile phone coverage

Would this be useful?

Re: Travel planning software: The most common bad startup idea (2012)

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post #91

> How often do people really plan trips? For the typical working adult, probably once or twice a year if you're lucky. One thing I think all founders/Product people should consider is that there are off label(so to speak) uses for everything. Many many people use travel planning software as escapism from drudgery. This is an opportunity not just to sell them travel, but also anything that immediately salves their bor…

I completely agree with this, and I think the frequency with which people use Zillow is proof that there's a whole lot of advertising to sell around products that are aspirational, detail-heavy and very common for people to think about (vacations, buying a house/car, etc). "Zillow for Traveling" is much closer to something that makes sense, but probably has a very small overlap with the actual work required to make a…

The more you lean into the "facilitate daydreaming" angle, the more you're just Instagram, though, right?

Re: Travel planning software: The most common bad startup idea (2012)

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post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree. Most people love to imagine vacations, but then they realize they have to pay for it. It's only a minority that is "always planning their next trip in their mind", at least where I live. We all have a vague idea of where we wanna go next, but going from vague idea to realization is not very fun for most people. Realization is fun, or at least should be. Tourism is actually dead, and most people feel that…

I don’t find being a “tourist” is fun. It’s superficial experiences that aren’t the actual culture of a place and often are designed to take money from you as quickly as possible (Tourist Traps). It’s also long lines, crowds, influencers taking selfies and vlogs, and, one of the worst things I’ve found: experiences designed to make it feel like you’re a “baller” having a special night out. These will be 3 star qualit…

You know, even if you go “off the beaten path,” you’re still just a tourist. Just one who is “off the beaten path.” It’s like the conversations about experiencing the “authentic” culture of a place. If you want true authentic, move to wherever for a couple years and just live it. I enjoy traveling and I almost never do touristy stuff, but I have no illusions about not being a tourist and trying to get some sort of authentic experience that only scrapes the top of a deep culture.

Re: Travel planning software: The most common bad startup idea (2012)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dunno. I am surprised that there isn't something like "walk score" for a "visit score" - especially one where the score is based on what you want to do on your visit. I get that when you're traveling to a new city, you usually have an idea for what neighborhood you want to stay in. A lot of cities - there's only 1-3 neighborhoods that are walkable and good for tourists. Still, I'm surprised there's not an easy way…

As someone who travels full time, Google's introduction of yellow blobs on the maps in the past year or two has been an absolute game changer for me. I used to look up the name of a known walking street and then try to make sure I'd mastered all that was worth seeing by doing the perimeter including ended up spending hours on alleys that lead to nothingness (car coridors or residential areas of 0 interest at the edge…

what are these yellow blobs?

Re: Travel planning software: The most common bad startup idea (2012)

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>If someone made a tool that was better than planning your trip in your head it doesn't matter that you aren't taking a trip all the time. Because most people are always planning their next trip in their mind. My wife uses Travelocity's "book a random room" feature. You are told "random 4 star hotel in X area for $x" that is typically $10-20 less than if you use Travelocity to book that same hotel directly. She loves…

They have two versions of that: One where you can figure out exactly what you are getting if you want. It shows you enough detail about the "mystery hotel" (Example: Free Parking, Gym, At least 3 star, Rating of 8+ out of 10, at least 800 ratings) that quickly referring to the search results from the area makes it clear which is which. Love it and been using for years. One where it's "One of these 3 specific hotels".…

You should try rolling the dice with VRBO. Nothing makes a trip real like showing up half way across the world to find you have rented a flop house. Seriously, VRBO is a scam factory since there is no customer support or dispute system. Premier hosts can post anything, get paid, and never have to worry about getting docked for the scam unless someone rounds up some lawyers.

Re: Travel planning software: The most common bad startup idea (2012)

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I believe such a travel planning software would have more traction if coupled with the local destination management system, as the locals (curators) would curate the information on events happening in the area, things to see & do etc. Then, you would just browse their website, and simply add things to your itinerary. Has an event been cancelled, or postponed? Bang, you would be alerted immediately and your itinerary would reflect it. You can't schedule a museum visit on off hours etc.

Without curators, which are locally incentivized experts, the traveler would have to work on getting and keeping everything organized. Some actually do like this research part, but most don't.

How do you bridge the gap between curators and travelers? For the 1st group, it's their work time, for the 2nd group it's supposed to be their vacation time. Kinda like a concierge service in some aspects.

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