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Court rules for Florida governor, reinstates ban on mask mandates in FL schools

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Re: Court rules for Florida governor, reinstates ban on mask mandates in FL schools

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Post by andrekandre »

Barrin92 wrote: post #28
krasin wrote: post #3

No matter what position one holds on the matter, it's always impressive to witness the multi-layer democracy process in the US. Not many countries in the world would have a dispute between a governor, individual school districts, non-profit organizations and judges. The US is a very non-ideal country, but it's a working one.

It's a working one because Amazon kept packages coming to your door during the pandemic and the government accelerated the development of vaccines with Warp Speed and because scientists did their job, not because school teachers and governors block each other over minuscule nonsense. The US works despite it's multi-layer democracy, not because of it. All the parts that work aren't democratic.

  >The US works despite it's multi-layer democracy, not because of it.
what kind of system should we have instead?

Re: Court rules for Florida governor, reinstates ban on mask mandates in FL schools

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Post by albertop »

Gibbon1 wrote: post #40
rejectedandsad wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They've experienced greater psychological harm by having their parents and grandparents get COVID. Basically the only place masks are a good idea is where the captive audience can't be vaccinated, which happens to be schools.

In the US somewhere around 50,000 children lost a parent or guardian. Couple of million lost a grandparent. I've known a higher than average number of people who lost a parent when they were children or teenagers. That's bad in a lot of different ways and has a life long impact. So I find people trivializing that to be gross and utterly appalling.

It is tragic but what this has to do with forcing kids to wear mask? Sweden hit zero COVID death months ago, even though they never closed elementary schools and did not require masks. Children bear an incredibly small health risk with respect to the virus. A recent study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association Pediatrics suggests “children continue to face a far greater risk of critical illness from influenza than from COVID-19. In addition, children are unlikely to spread the virus. The WHO’s chief scientist, Soumya Swaminathan, recently told the BBC that children appear to be “less capable” of spreading the virus than adults. In addition, the WHO has not observed any significant outbreaks that can be linked to regular school attendance.

Re: Court rules for Florida governor, reinstates ban on mask mandates in FL schools

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Post by gfor1011 »

s5300 wrote: post #16
dustintrex wrote: post #5

FWIW, the mask mandate ban appears to have precisely zero effect on the COVID situation in Florida, which has been steadily improving ever since schools opened. Here's a blog facetiously suggesting that not wearing masks in school caused the improvement, and while it's obviously written tongue in cheek, from a stats/causality point of view it's pretty much indistinguishable from a lot of arguments for masks. https://…

To my knowledge, Florida recently stopped reporting all hospitalizations of children due to COVID (either 0-17 or 0-18 ages) So I don't think > has been steadily improving ever since schools opened. Is as truthful as one might think.

If you look at outbreak graphs in many countries, the shape of this Florida outbreak looks exactly like previous ones last year.

These outbreaks appear to be seasonal and come and go without vaccines (last year no one was vaccinated and the shape of the graphs was the same).

They also come and go without lockdowns. This is why the blog post encourages the reader (using satire) to find other mechanisms than Aquinas' prime mover theory.

Re: Court rules for Florida governor, reinstates ban on mask mandates in FL schools

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Post by [deleted] »

_3u10 wrote: post #37
CamperBob2 wrote: post #13

Someone posted a facetious comment ("Stupid Chinese bat flu. Deadly enough to be problem. Not deadly enough to be solution.") in reply to an even more offensive one earlier ("Florida needs thinning out anyway" or something along those lines.) Both were quickly sent to -4 [dead] land, but I do think there's an underlying truth behind the offensive sentiment that is going unappreciated. If we were dealing with some kin…

Regarding political affliation it’s interesting to see how many pro-lifers are now pro-choice and vice versa.

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Re: Court rules for Florida governor, reinstates ban on mask mandates in FL schools

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Post by LatteLazy »

krasin wrote: post #3

No matter what position one holds on the matter, it's always impressive to witness the multi-layer democracy process in the US. Not many countries in the world would have a dispute between a governor, individual school districts, non-profit organizations and judges. The US is a very non-ideal country, but it's a working one.

It really doesnt sounds like it. Why would countries want endless disputes between different levels of their governments? How does that help anyone!?

Re: Court rules for Florida governor, reinstates ban on mask mandates in FL schools

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Post by lotsofpulp »

polote wrote: post #39
rejectedandsad wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, we're already seeing what does make the difference - vaccines . Thank god we have a President with the balls to mandate them now.

Mandating vaccines is an indirect solution the real solution is to have more at risk people to TAKE the vaccine. Whether or not mandate is the right strategy is another question. It is almost probably sure it is the wrong strategy but fines and mandates are the only things our politicians know how to do

Simply allowing actuaries to price in vaccinated versus non vaccinated into health insurance premiums would solve this problem very quickly.

Re: Court rules for Florida governor, reinstates ban on mask mandates in FL schools

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Post by danielrpa »

bruiseralmighty wrote: post #33
Barrin92 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a working one because Amazon kept packages coming to your door during the pandemic and the government accelerated the development of vaccines with Warp Speed and because scientists did their job, not because school teachers and governors block each other over minuscule nonsense. The US works despite it's multi-layer democracy, not because of it. All the parts that work aren't democratic.

This is quite correct. All of the parts of the United States that actually work are absolute monarchies.

But you are not required to be under the full rule of the "kings" and "queens". I don't have much problem doing business with a "monarchy" if you want to call it this way. The problem is when all these "monarchies" are reporting to an ultimate absolute ruler you can't escape...

Re: Court rules for Florida governor, reinstates ban on mask mandates in FL schools

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Post by Gibbon1 »

albertop wrote: post #42
Gibbon1 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the US somewhere around 50,000 children lost a parent or guardian. Couple of million lost a grandparent. I've known a higher than average number of people who lost a parent when they were children or teenagers. That's bad in a lot of different ways and has a life long impact. So I find people trivializing that to be gross and utterly appalling.

It is tragic but what this has to do with forcing kids to wear mask? Sweden hit zero COVID death months ago, even though they never closed elementary schools and did not require masks. Children bear an incredibly small health risk with respect to the virus. A recent study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association Pediatrics suggests “children continue to face a far greater risk of critical illness…

> In addition, children are unlikely to spread the virus.

That is something you have choose to believe.

Re: Court rules for Florida governor, reinstates ban on mask mandates in FL schools

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Post by brighttank »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #7
dustintrex wrote: post #5

FWIW, the mask mandate ban appears to have precisely zero effect on the COVID situation in Florida, which has been steadily improving ever since schools opened. Here's a blog facetiously suggesting that not wearing masks in school caused the improvement, and while it's obviously written tongue in cheek, from a stats/causality point of view it's pretty much indistinguishable from a lot of arguments for masks. https://…

China has already mandated N95s, even those with the valves that aren’t allowed in much of the west. The idea I think is that they are focusing filtering inbound while cloth masks only really filter outbound (so wearing the mask protect others, vs an N95 that has a higher chance of protecting the wearer). Florida only reports their numbers once a week now and they aren’t breaking them down by county. They look good b…

Where did you hear that China has mandated N95 masks? I live in Beijing and I can't say I've seen anyone wearing one. We basically have to wear the normal surgical masks when in shops, on public transport etc.

Re: Court rules for Florida governor, reinstates ban on mask mandates in FL schools

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Post by gfor1011 »

rejectedandsad wrote: post #36
Izkata wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and it has been more than a year that we know that places which had a mask mandate didn't have a different trajectory that place that did, or that mask mandate didn't change the trajectory of the covid cases Anyone who doesn't believe this might want to take a look at https://www.covidchartsquiz.com/

Yeah, we're already seeing what does make the difference - vaccines . Thank god we have a President with the balls to mandate them now.

It does not look like vaccines have made much of a difference in Florida:

http://ww11.doh.state.fl.us/comm/_partners/covid19_report_ar...

See the "vaccination impact" sections.

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