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Court rules for Florida governor, reinstates ban on mask mandates in FL schools

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Re: Court rules for Florida governor, reinstates ban on mask mandates in FL schools

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Post by Izkata »

polote wrote: post #12
dustintrex wrote: post #5

FWIW, the mask mandate ban appears to have precisely zero effect on the COVID situation in Florida, which has been steadily improving ever since schools opened. Here's a blog facetiously suggesting that not wearing masks in school caused the improvement, and while it's obviously written tongue in cheek, from a stats/causality point of view it's pretty much indistinguishable from a lot of arguments for masks. https://…

> it's starting to look like "casual" mask wearing (fabric masks loosely worn and taken off regularly for eating etc) is mostly just pointless hygiene theater at this point. No one has ever proven that mask mandates worked for covid, and it has been more than a year that we know that places which had a mask mandate didn't have a different trajectory that place that did, or that mask mandate didn't change the trajecto…

> and it has been more than a year that we know that places which had a mask mandate didn't have a different trajectory that place that did, or that mask mandate didn't change the trajectory of the covid cases

Anyone who doesn't believe this might want to take a look at https://www.covidchartsquiz.com/

Re: Court rules for Florida governor, reinstates ban on mask mandates in FL schools

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Post by dstaley »

notimetorelax wrote: post #23
dstaley wrote: post #19

I'm curious if this ruling would have any impact on a district's ability to enforce a uniform policy/dress code. If a district doesn't have the authority to require masks, how can they have the authority to require that students tuck in their shirts?

Governor explicitly prohibited mandating wearing masks. He did not prohibit mandating dress code.

Right, but the executive order issued doesn't usurp the authority of a school district to require a dress code, and as such masks could technically still be required under that authority. I believe this is what's happening in some Texas schools as well.

Re: Court rules for Florida governor, reinstates ban on mask mandates in FL schools

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Post by bruiseralmighty »

Barrin92 wrote: post #28
krasin wrote: post #3

No matter what position one holds on the matter, it's always impressive to witness the multi-layer democracy process in the US. Not many countries in the world would have a dispute between a governor, individual school districts, non-profit organizations and judges. The US is a very non-ideal country, but it's a working one.

It's a working one because Amazon kept packages coming to your door during the pandemic and the government accelerated the development of vaccines with Warp Speed and because scientists did their job, not because school teachers and governors block each other over minuscule nonsense. The US works despite it's multi-layer democracy, not because of it. All the parts that work aren't democratic.

This is quite correct. All of the parts of the United States that actually work are absolute monarchies.

Re: Court rules for Florida governor, reinstates ban on mask mandates in FL schools

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Post by rejectedandsad »

albertop wrote: post #30
perl4ever wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>the COVID situation in Florida, which has been steadily improving ever since schools opened There have been articles about how Florida recently switched to reporting deaths with the date of death, so it seems that it will continually appear that the rate plummeted recently. As time goes by, though, the graph will be filled in. Maybe people are being deceived by this. >pointless hygiene theater at this point You can…

Psychological harm caused by forcing mask on young children is well documented. So forcing something on them that has no positive effect matters a lot.

They've experienced greater psychological harm by having their parents and grandparents get COVID.

Basically the only place masks are a good idea is where the captive audience can't be vaccinated, which happens to be schools.

Re: Court rules for Florida governor, reinstates ban on mask mandates in FL schools

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Post by handrous »

aaronbrethorst wrote: post #26
CamperBob2 wrote: post #13

Someone posted a facetious comment ("Stupid Chinese bat flu. Deadly enough to be problem. Not deadly enough to be solution.") in reply to an even more offensive one earlier ("Florida needs thinning out anyway" or something along those lines.) Both were quickly sent to -4 [dead] land, but I do think there's an underlying truth behind the offensive sentiment that is going unappreciated. If we were dealing with some kin…

If an enemy nation sent troops to our shores with orders to kill even 0.1% of our population, we'd all rise up to defeat them Interesting analogy to choose on today of all days. 0.1% is 330,000. How about 0.001%? Pedant alert: yes obviously they were technically non-state actors.

To be fair one doesn't invite further attacks from a virus, by ignoring somewhat-bad-but-not-that-bad ones. They're not directly comparable. It's a bit like comparing your adversary checking your king, with an earthquake upsetting the whole chess board. You act against the former—you weather the latter.

(this should not be taken to mean I judge[d] the wars in Iraq or Afghanistan justifiable or desirable, now or when they started)

Re: Court rules for Florida governor, reinstates ban on mask mandates in FL schools

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Post by rejectedandsad »

Izkata wrote: post #31
polote wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it's starting to look like "casual" mask wearing (fabric masks loosely worn and taken off regularly for eating etc) is mostly just pointless hygiene theater at this point. No one has ever proven that mask mandates worked for covid, and it has been more than a year that we know that places which had a mask mandate didn't have a different trajectory that place that did, or that mask mandate didn't change the trajecto…

> and it has been more than a year that we know that places which had a mask mandate didn't have a different trajectory that place that did, or that mask mandate didn't change the trajectory of the covid cases Anyone who doesn't believe this might want to take a look at https://www.covidchartsquiz.com/

Yeah, we're already seeing what does make the difference - vaccines. Thank god we have a President with the balls to mandate them now.

Re: Court rules for Florida governor, reinstates ban on mask mandates in FL schools

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Post by _3u10 »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #13

Someone posted a facetious comment ("Stupid Chinese bat flu. Deadly enough to be problem. Not deadly enough to be solution.") in reply to an even more offensive one earlier ("Florida needs thinning out anyway" or something along those lines.) Both were quickly sent to -4 [dead] land, but I do think there's an underlying truth behind the offensive sentiment that is going unappreciated. If we were dealing with some kin…

Regarding political affliation it’s interesting to see how many pro-lifers are now pro-choice and vice versa.

Re: Court rules for Florida governor, reinstates ban on mask mandates in FL schools

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Post by kybernetyk »

Barrin92 wrote: post #28
krasin wrote: post #3

No matter what position one holds on the matter, it's always impressive to witness the multi-layer democracy process in the US. Not many countries in the world would have a dispute between a governor, individual school districts, non-profit organizations and judges. The US is a very non-ideal country, but it's a working one.

It's a working one because Amazon kept packages coming to your door during the pandemic and the government accelerated the development of vaccines with Warp Speed and because scientists did their job, not because school teachers and governors block each other over minuscule nonsense. The US works despite it's multi-layer democracy, not because of it. All the parts that work aren't democratic.

Democracy is a soft form of communism. So no wonder the democratic parts don’t work.

Re: Court rules for Florida governor, reinstates ban on mask mandates in FL schools

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Post by polote »

rejectedandsad wrote: post #36
Izkata wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and it has been more than a year that we know that places which had a mask mandate didn't have a different trajectory that place that did, or that mask mandate didn't change the trajectory of the covid cases Anyone who doesn't believe this might want to take a look at https://www.covidchartsquiz.com/

Yeah, we're already seeing what does make the difference - vaccines . Thank god we have a President with the balls to mandate them now.

Mandating vaccines is an indirect solution the real solution is to have more at risk people to TAKE the vaccine. Whether or not mandate is the right strategy is another question. It is almost probably sure it is the wrong strategy but fines and mandates are the only things our politicians know how to do

Re: Court rules for Florida governor, reinstates ban on mask mandates in FL schools

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Post by Gibbon1 »

rejectedandsad wrote: post #34
albertop wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Psychological harm caused by forcing mask on young children is well documented. So forcing something on them that has no positive effect matters a lot.

They've experienced greater psychological harm by having their parents and grandparents get COVID. Basically the only place masks are a good idea is where the captive audience can't be vaccinated, which happens to be schools.

In the US somewhere around 50,000 children lost a parent or guardian. Couple of million lost a grandparent. I've known a higher than average number of people who lost a parent when they were children or teenagers. That's bad in a lot of different ways and has a life long impact. So I find people trivializing that to be gross and utterly appalling.
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