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Google illegally underpaid thousands of workers

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Today in "class action over the whole industry having depresed wages from their actions" history, this month marks the 21st anniversary of the DoJ filing a complaint against Google, Apple, Intel, and Adobe for agreeing not to poach each other's employees. The companies eventually settled a civil class action suit for $415 million.

It wasn't enough to correct their malevolent behavior. Alphabet's assets should be frozen pending a full investigation.

Uhh? You want to basically kill the company pending investigation?

Who does that help?

Re: Google illegally underpaid thousands of workers

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Time for a class action against Google. The whole industry could have depressed wages from their actions.

Today in "class action over the whole industry having depresed wages from their actions" history, this month marks the 21st anniversary of the DoJ filing a complaint against Google, Apple, Intel, and Adobe for agreeing not to poach each other's employees. The companies eventually settled a civil class action suit for $415 million.

Do you mean 11th anniversary? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Tech_Employee_Antitrust_L...

Re: Google illegally underpaid thousands of workers

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As I keep saying: there’s nothing more dangerous than a company (or department in this case) that was once wildly profitable and is now merely profitable. It’s absurd that even at places like Google, which has effectively infinite money, there’s still this present attitude of not being able to afford paying workers. Nuts.

Maybe you were talking about other companies. Google is still wildly profitable. > the company just set an all-time record revenue of $61.9 billion this quarter, and record profits for the fourth quarter in a row at $18.5 billion. From https://www.theverge.com/2021/7/27/22596592/google-q2-2021-r...

“Or department”

Regardless, the fear of marginally reducing profits drives companies to do a bunch of things that are fundamentally pretty gross.

Re: Google illegally underpaid thousands of workers

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That's not really a similar crime; that's a crime against another corporation.

Even still, the guy got a pardon after 33 federal charges and pleading guilty to one of them. The average person would never get even a hint of a chance at that (or, frankly, such a tiny sentence -- 18 months, 6 served before pardon).

Rich white dudes have a lot of empathy for other rich white dudes.

Re: Google illegally underpaid thousands of workers

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Yes. They said it better. It certainly doesn't reinforce the positive, yet people seem to insist on using it as if it does. "Well, yes, that penny did land on it's edge but the exception proves the rule it had to be either heads or tails" type statements abound. No.. the exception proved pennies have three states not two: your argument is busted.

Exception proves the rule comes from Roman law: if there is a sign saying you can’t park here on Saturdays, it means that you can park here on any other day.

I was taught it comes from logic, and argumentation: the act of stating an exception proves a rule as stated (a rule is a claim to an axiom) is wrong. So it's in logic and philosophy, not Roman law.

Re: Google illegally underpaid thousands of workers

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post #121

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It wasn't enough to correct their malevolent behavior. Alphabet's assets should be frozen pending a full investigation.

Uhh? You want to basically kill the company pending investigation? Who does that help?

They previously stole wages from every dev, and looks like they did it again. RICO on past and ongoing criminal acts.

https://www.theregister.com/2020/11/14/google_android_data_a...

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/google-sued-u-s-tracki...

https://www.computerworld.com/article/2517832/google-hit-wit...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/09/02/apple-s...

https://www.cnet.com/news/google-pay-discrimination-lawsuit-...

https://www.courthousenews.com/judge-find-gmail-privacy-sett...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/google-sued-for-se...

Re: Google illegally underpaid thousands of workers

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> Google executives have been aware since at least May 2019 that the company was failing to comply with local laws in the UK, Europe and Asia that mandate temporary workers be paid equal rates to full-time employees performing similar work, internal Google documents and emails reviewed by the Guardian show. > But rather than immediately correct the errors, the company dragged its feet for more than two years, the doc…

As I keep saying: there’s nothing more dangerous than a company (or department in this case) that was once wildly profitable and is now merely profitable. It’s absurd that even at places like Google, which has effectively infinite money, there’s still this present attitude of not being able to afford paying workers. Nuts.

You know what they say, though... you don't get infinite money by cutting a lot of checks.

Re: Google illegally underpaid thousands of workers

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What is the mechanism by which an entity that has the resources to spend on wrist-slaps is prevented from just continuing the behavior forever? I notice this a lot, and it feels like there are these opportunities everywhere that are exploited by corporations who know they'll skate every time with minimal financial impact.

Penalties just have to be set correctly. If I don’t pay a parking meter I’m likely to lose up to 100x as much as I saved… if Google doesn’t pay its employees…

High potential punishment has never worked.

If your city has exactly 0 'meter maids' what does the 100x fine do to deter you? Nothing.

If your city is patrolling its meters with a frequency that guarantees you will be caught 100% of the time you will definitely not do it ever (if you knew or after being caught multiple times in a row) and the expenses for meter maid salaries would be exorbitant. No more money coming in.

Theres probably a hard to attain sweet spot where having the patrols brings in enough money to offset enough of the salaries and which also gives you the feeling of 'always getting caught' thus not making it worth your while.

Re: Google illegally underpaid thousands of workers

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I've always thought the phrase "the exception that proves the rule" is nonsense, btw. There's no such "proof."

The word "prove" used to also encompass the meaning of "challenge" or "put to the test". It still retains that archaic meaning in the phrase you mentioned and terms like "proving grounds". Edit: And like so many other proverbs like "A few bad apples", "Blood is thicker than water", "Carpe diem", "The exception proves the rule" means exactly the opposite of what most people think it does.

Also "proof reading" and "100 proof whisky".
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