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Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux GUI

#181

I wonder what Linux exclusive software they are hoping to support. Everything I use in my Ubuntu daily driver has a Windows build or corollary app. I get how ‘you never have to leave Windows’ is a nice thing for their business, but I don’t see this being a reason I would stop dual-booting. The only reason I run windows in the first place is for a few apps, mostly games. Otherwise I really enjoy the bloat-free, ad-fre…

Qemu manager would be good.

Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux GUI

#182
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I see that those of us with a 7th gen Intel core CPU that "need not to worry because W10 will be supported for years" will immediately start missing functionality.

To be honest I’m not going to miss the annual update that messes with all my settings and tries to force a MS account on me.

You know, you will still get those.

Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux GUI

#183

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> It would be nice if they did something actually useful, like add native ext4 support. Other way around. The Kernel getting real support for NTFS (was merged into Linus' tree a month ago [0]) there's hope to get native performance on WSL2. Microsoft is building the dev environment for the next decade. [0] https://www.linuxtoday.com/news/linux-kernel-5-15-will-have-...

Linux and Windows use mutually exclusive permission/ACL bits, even on the same NTFS filesystem.

> even on the same NTFS filesystem

can you explain a bit how this works?

Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux GUI

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It's not amazing but a quick calculation says that a full 1080 screen will generally transfer in just under half a millisecond.

If that's the only loss of performance, that sounds amazing compared to running anything under Wine.

??? I game on Wine all day and it's sometimes faster than Windows.

Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux GUI

#185
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> don't get me started on windows settings or audio I'll bite - what's wrong with the audio? Friends on mine in game dev often complain Linux audio is hopeless to work with.

USB hotplug is still a mess in Windows and so using any external audio interface or soundcard is just a mess. The UI is complete garbage but siblings said enough about that dumpster fire already.

USB hotplug works fine, and has for 20+ years now. You may be blaming the OS for your vendor's incompetence at driver maintenance.

Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux GUI

#186

I wonder what Linux exclusive software they are hoping to support. Everything I use in my Ubuntu daily driver has a Windows build or corollary app. I get how ‘you never have to leave Windows’ is a nice thing for their business, but I don’t see this being a reason I would stop dual-booting. The only reason I run windows in the first place is for a few apps, mostly games. Otherwise I really enjoy the bloat-free, ad-fre…

> It would be nice if they did something actually useful, like add native ext4 support. Other way around. The Kernel getting real support for NTFS (was merged into Linus' tree a month ago [0]) there's hope to get native performance on WSL2. Microsoft is building the dev environment for the next decade. [0] https://www.linuxtoday.com/news/linux-kernel-5-15-will-have-...

> Microsoft is building the dev environment for the next decade.

Big claim, most devs I've met either use Mac or Ubuntu. Can't remember anyone using Windows...

Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux GUI

#187

I wonder what Linux exclusive software they are hoping to support. Everything I use in my Ubuntu daily driver has a Windows build or corollary app. I get how ‘you never have to leave Windows’ is a nice thing for their business, but I don’t see this being a reason I would stop dual-booting. The only reason I run windows in the first place is for a few apps, mostly games. Otherwise I really enjoy the bloat-free, ad-fre…

I was looking into this further because it’s sort of impacting my dual-boot workflow. I have ext4 media drives on Linux that aren’t viewable or readable from Windows, but Linux can at least read the NTFS drive. The third parties I’ve tried in the past for making Ext4 readable in Windows File Explorer have some sketchy security concerns and/or missing Win10 support. It looks like using the method described in the link…

So far no good. That feature was a preview release that required insider builds, which require enabling telemetry that sends, among other things, "information about websites you browse, apps and features you use..." Moreover, I'm not able to use Windows 11 which has the feature because of my AMD Threadripper 1950X processor.

Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux GUI

#188

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Dual boot? This does look slick, I was an avid WSL user until I started dual booting. Now I almost never need to boot to Windows. I get that if you often need to switch it can be a pain in the ass but at least Linux respects my privacy and freedom.

As the author of EasyBCD, I can tell you that interest in dual-booting has collapsed to near zero over the past decade.

Anecdata, but I used to dual boot, until Windows mucked up the Linux boot more than once. Didn't play nice. So I run Windows in a VM now, it's not getting near the boot sector again.

Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux GUI

#189

WSL seriously changed the amount of work I can do from my gaming PC, but I’m not sure if that’s actually a good thing based on my productivity over the past few months. That aside it’s terrific to see MS putting something good into Windows rather than just removing things and taking choice away from the end user.

> That aside it’s terrific to see MS putting something good into Windows rather than just removing things and taking choice away from the end user. That's the tip of the iceberg MS want everyone to see, and point the finger at. MS want people to stop using Linux as an alternative since they lost the battle when they attempted to kill it during the Ballmer era. The plan now is more subtle: making sure everyone using L…

That seat that Microsoft have on the Linux Foundation board of directors will come in useful for that.

Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux GUI

#190

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So the Windows Subsystem for Linux GUI (WSLg) business plan looks like this, I assume: Step 1: get lots of devs using WSL / WSL GUI. Step 2: Get them comfortable with flexibly using WSL GUI on Linux and Windows interchangeably Step 3: roll out your poison pill: new Version X, offering great compatibility on Windows but bad integration with Linux; maybe Linux support is buggy or nonexistent, maybe the API doesn't mesh…

> Whatever creates the most pain for Linux / FOSS users. Not necessarily to this level of malice. Many (most?) Linux users, especially new ones, use also Windows, so all it needs for MS to convince them to use only Windows+WSL and not say a dual boot machine or two machines, is something that just integrates the two systems, so that most users will feel more comfortable running everything under Windows. The killer pr…

The things that make me not like Windows are it's aggressive Windows Updates, lack of real true security, and the way windows regularly ignores settings. Steam automates configuring Wine for you and most games just work. But for work? There's no reason to use Windows anymore unless you have some proprietary software that runs only on Windows.

Btw the whole "Access Windows internals and GUI" from Linux already works. You can just run Windows commands from bash and of course make scripts using those commands so essentially all windows command prompt commands are available to you now.

But remember it's Windows. You can set all the registry settings you want but it will still sometimes ignore your settings and just do what it wants.

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