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Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux GUI

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Post by PennRobotics »

reilly3000 wrote: post #31

I wonder what Linux exclusive software they are hoping to support. Everything I use in my Ubuntu daily driver has a Windows build or corollary app. I get how ‘you never have to leave Windows’ is a nice thing for their business, but I don’t see this being a reason I would stop dual-booting. The only reason I run windows in the first place is for a few apps, mostly games. Otherwise I really enjoy the bloat-free, ad-fre…

My networked workplace computer needs to be able to compile a Windows application plus peripherals running various other architectures. The Windows part happens best in Windows, while the other parts are remarkably painful to compile without Linux. And all the platforms can compile in parallel.

Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux GUI

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Post by jonathanlydall »

reilly3000 wrote: post #31

I wonder what Linux exclusive software they are hoping to support. Everything I use in my Ubuntu daily driver has a Windows build or corollary app. I get how ‘you never have to leave Windows’ is a nice thing for their business, but I don’t see this being a reason I would stop dual-booting. The only reason I run windows in the first place is for a few apps, mostly games. Otherwise I really enjoy the bloat-free, ad-fre…

As someone who uses Windows as their main driver, I will personally find it a useful way to test/debug our Electron based app on Linux. Right now I’m using a full VM.

When you consider that Edge is available for Linux, MS could very well be using WSLg to develop it.

So it seems to me that this just makes it easier to anything you need to do on Linux, “on” Windows.

Of course making it easier for people on Windows to make software for Linux seems like a way to help Linux, which is a bit confusing to see MS do.

Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux GUI

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Post by shados »

JorgeGT wrote: post #76
shados wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At the very least the support requirement is a soft one, not a hard one. A large portion of motherboards from that era had firmware updates to officially support Win11, and Win11 WILL work on an i7-7700k even though its not in the list. You unfortunately won't get it through Windows update and will have to install the hard way. And if there's problems, you'll be sorry out of luck. Pisses me off, but at least it's not…

According to The Verge, they may block security updates if you install manually through the ISO, so that's a no go for me: https://www.theverge.com/2021/8/28/22646035/microsoft-window...

Ok, if that's true, I'm back to raging about how absolutely ridiculous this is. Why obsolete a computer that can still run almost anything on high-ish settings @.@ Because there's 0.01% more crash or whatever....

Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux GUI

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Post by hasperdi »

scandinavian wrote: post #117
pygar wrote: post #100

This is undoubtedly cool but I'm curious to know of a use case that would warrant installing this. Could this just have been a step in creating "Windows Subsystem for Android" [0] that they decided to release as its own layer? The screenshot on the github page shows VSCode, Edge, Blender, Xcalc, Xclock and GNOME file manager which are all either available natively on windows or redundant. [0] https://www.xda-develope…

Accessing the Windows filesystem from WSL and vice versa is extremely slow, so running for example your IDE in WSL and having your code etc. stored in WSL is useful. I think that is one of the big usecases. It's already kinda supported in vscode, where it runs a vscode server in WSL and Windows just runs the frontend. It's useful for me when developing dotnet intended for Linux as I can store the code in WSL and be a…

Are you talking about WSL1 or WSL? Wsl2 is much much faster due to having a virtualized real linux kernel running

Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux GUI

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Post by r-w »

scandinavian wrote: post #117
pygar wrote: post #100

This is undoubtedly cool but I'm curious to know of a use case that would warrant installing this. Could this just have been a step in creating "Windows Subsystem for Android" [0] that they decided to release as its own layer? The screenshot on the github page shows VSCode, Edge, Blender, Xcalc, Xclock and GNOME file manager which are all either available natively on windows or redundant. [0] https://www.xda-develope…

Accessing the Windows filesystem from WSL and vice versa is extremely slow, so running for example your IDE in WSL and having your code etc. stored in WSL is useful. I think that is one of the big usecases. It's already kinda supported in vscode, where it runs a vscode server in WSL and Windows just runs the frontend. It's useful for me when developing dotnet intended for Linux as I can store the code in WSL and be a…

But I mean come on, they're Microsoft. If they really wanted filesystem access to be efficient across systems, we'd have it by now. Although convenient, I doubt that's on their list of primary motivations for doing this.

Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux GUI

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Post by modeless »

> Please note that for the first release of WSLg, vGPU interops with the Weston compositor through system memory. If running on a discrete GPU, this effectively means that the rendered data is copied from VRAM to system memory before being presented to the compositor within WSLg, and uploaded onto the GPU again on the Windows side.

This is a pretty big limitation. Hopefully it can be addressed soon.

Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux GUI

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Post by jjcon »

caust1c wrote: post #97
jjcon wrote: post #67

I don't want to want this, but I do. Only semi-related but what I really want is for easy windows apps on linux that work without fail. I prefer my linux box and generally hate the windows ui (don't get me started on windows settings or audio). I've tried switching to linux full-time but I don't know if I can hack it. Games are 90% there and I can do without the few that don't work with proton, but there are just too…

Have you heard of VFIO for Graphics Cards in Linux host with Windows Guest? Haven't tried it yet, but it's my winter project and I'm excited: https://passthroughpo.st/

I haven't personally done much with VFIO but I have looked at it. From my initial look it seemed as if it would require two gpus, one for the host and one for the guest but it looks like some people have single gpu setups working

https://github.com/joeknock90/Single-GPU-Passthrough

Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux GUI

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Post by smoldesu »

908B64B197 wrote: post #46
reilly3000 wrote: post #31

I wonder what Linux exclusive software they are hoping to support. Everything I use in my Ubuntu daily driver has a Windows build or corollary app. I get how ‘you never have to leave Windows’ is a nice thing for their business, but I don’t see this being a reason I would stop dual-booting. The only reason I run windows in the first place is for a few apps, mostly games. Otherwise I really enjoy the bloat-free, ad-fre…

> It would be nice if they did something actually useful, like add native ext4 support. Other way around. The Kernel getting real support for NTFS (was merged into Linus' tree a month ago [0]) there's hope to get native performance on WSL2. Microsoft is building the dev environment for the next decade. [0] https://www.linuxtoday.com/news/linux-kernel-5-15-will-have-...

Linux has had read-only support for NTFS longer than WSL has been around. And if you think that Kernel patch is a testament to the greatness of Windows, you should try reading some of it. It's infamously incomprehensible.

I'd be onboard with Windows as a next-gen dev environment if it was compatible with more filesystems, had a more organized file structure, featured greater CPU compatibility, and eliminated the system registry altogether.

Re: Windows Subsystem for Linux GUI

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Post by avodonosov »

cybernautique wrote: post #18
avodonosov wrote: post #13

I already asked this in the past, and want to ask again. Is Microsoft a corporation of goodness now?

In my opinion, this is actually a question of values. My position: absolutely not, but I take it as axiomatic that Microsoft (et al.) are incapable of any actual "good." This is simply Window's attempt to build a new walled garden. If they were actually serious about advancing the state of civil computing, they'd make the NT core available as a microkernel that can be modularly placed into the Linux ecosystem. That i…

Why this should be exactly microkernel?
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