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Travel planning software: The most common bad startup idea (2012)

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Re: Travel planning software: The most common bad startup idea (2012)

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I had founded Flights With Friends for group travel planning shortly before this post. I read it when it came out but knew the point about travel being rare wasn't the cause of these product failures. The trouble with trip planning software is that making one that is 10X better than just planning it manually is very, very difficult. People love thinking about their trip and online tools don't make that more fun for t…

The other thing is that travel planning is flexible and uncertain. Computers are inherently specific.

Creating a program that doesn't interfere with this "maybe we'll do this, and if we do this then the trip will be X days, but if we do that then it will be Y days" isn't easy.

Re: Travel planning software: The most common bad startup idea (2012)

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No stats on Yahoo travel usage, no stats on how many people love to work on the travel product idea, no stats on how common the travel product idea is, no data on the problem of 'spending enough quality time with friends and family' or how that relates to travel.

Also, some things I do less than travel:

* Amazon prime day sales (once a year)

* Christmas (once a year)

* Dentist (2/3 times a year)

* Get my car serviced

* Get my bike serviced

Re: Travel planning software: The most common bad startup idea (2012)

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post #31

Again, I gotta nominate "Tinder, but for pickup basketball" as the most common bad startup (or at least app) idea. I get excited college students hitting me up with this nearly every semester, like clockwork.

That's not a bad idea, it's a good idea. Maybe a bad 'business idea', in that it probably won't make a ton of money, but as a solution, expanded into other casual sports, it might make sense. Pick Up BB has a lot of participants, who are not at the court at the same time. An app where you tap a button and say 'Who's Up For Hoops' and it connects you with others, is a great idea. You could work with cities to schedule…

Add a self-rating system:

- Actually, I'm here for the beer

- Sometimes when I shoot, I score

- I have some moves

- I used to be good

- I am good

- Serious

and offer to either match people by level or build two teams that are evenly matched. After the game, ask people if they thought it was fun and if they thought the self-ratings were fair.

Later you get to add teams, quasi-teams, and leagues, if there's enough interest. But always start by asking if they want to do a pick-up game.

Re: Travel planning software: The most common bad startup idea (2012)

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No stats on Yahoo travel usage, no stats on how many people love to work on the travel product idea, no stats on how common the travel product idea is, no data on the problem of 'spending enough quality time with friends and family' or how that relates to travel. Also, some things I do less than travel: * Amazon prime day sales (once a year) * Christmas (once a year) * Dentist (2/3 times a year) * Get my car serviced…

> Travel planning software: The most common bad startup idea (2012) 2012. Can you name a travel planning startup in the last 9 years?

Re: Travel planning software: The most common bad startup idea (2012)

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post #88

I wonder how a more competent form of Siri/Alexa/Home might change these market economics. If we ever come to rely on digital assistants for much more than the weather and turning on our lights, the problem of remembering goes away. "Hey Siri, book me a flight to Vancouver for next January when prices are below $400" "Hey Siri, show me my travel itinerary"

I've been ideating on a travel planner for a while, and one of my original ideas was actually along these lines. I figured I'd have to build out a full travel planner first, but then I found this (https://www.inspirock.com/) which kinda covers the planning part, and probably wouldn't be toooooo difficult to hook into a voice command

Re: Travel planning software: The most common bad startup idea (2012)

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post #31

Again, I gotta nominate "Tinder, but for pickup basketball" as the most common bad startup (or at least app) idea. I get excited college students hitting me up with this nearly every semester, like clockwork.

I thought the inundation of "Tinder, but for X" was just something I was experiencing. Thank you for mentioning it.

Re: Travel planning software: The most common bad startup idea (2012)

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"Language learning apps are step 5 in the ten step process of achieving programmer hubris nirvana.

1) I'm in college and I'm going to build an app to easily buy and sell books

2) Off campus housing is hard, I'm going to build an app to find roommates

3) Splitting bills with roommates is hard, I'm going to build an app for cost splitting

4) All my previous apps sucked because they weren't social, I'm going to build a social network app

5) I'm bored partying with my new friends, I'm going to level up and build an app to learn a new language

6) I'm lonely, I'm going to build a dating app to find a mate

7) I found a mate and the whole engagement/wedding industry is a fraud, I'm going to make an app to make it easier to navigate

8) My children are awesome, I'm going to build apps to manage their time/friends/eating/sleeping/learning

9) Technology is a waste of time, I'm going to spend my time on other hobbies and my family

10) I've been working 20 years in a boring industry and I see an opportunity to write boring software that solves boring problems that businesses will actually pay for. Jackpot.

Edit: As others pointed out, should have included: ToDo app, Blog App, and a travel app. Travel should probably be 5 with language at 6."

From here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15508239

Re: Travel planning software: The most common bad startup idea (2012)

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post #35
post #19

Personally, I think part of it is that it hasnt been done well yet. Everyone focuses on one problem instead of looking at the entire experience holistically. A feature that rarely gets put at the top of the list is true collaboration. Traveling with just a spouse or with a group, multiple participants have different wants, needs, preferences, interests. Maybe one person is in charge of travel logistics, one in charge…

Don't want to be offensive but your insight is not really insightful. Why? Because it goes in totally wrong direction. Most people don't want to work on stuff or plan the trip - they want to pick up the phone, tell what they want and have it organized. Organizing or even putting your wishes into some forms is work and that is not what people want ... they want to have VACATIONS and not fill in some application forms.…

You've hit the nail on the head, and I find it applies so many more things in life than just travel. It is my general observation that many people, as they progress through their life, reach the stage where they have more disposable income than time. And suddenly, all that tech fascination with self-service becomes extremely annoying.

I have personal examples from "the other side" for the cases you give.

Insurance-wise, I've been procrastinating on getting some of the belongings we have at home insured, because the insurance agent keeps coming back to me with calculations and offers I need to look at. But I have neither time nor patience to deal with it - especially not to study PDFs with tables full of calculations that were explicitly designed to be hard to compare[0]. The only interaction I wanted to have is, "this is where we live, this is the stuff we want insured, tell me how much to pay and where to send the money". They're losing money because they try to give me opportunity to save money[1].

Travel-wise, my wife and I both always looked down on people going on all-inclusives - but we took a chance and went on our first-ever all-inclusive a few years ago. We were immediately sold on the concept. It wasn't even a good all-inclusive - it was the cheapest one we could find, and the resort smelled like goats half the time - but it was the first time we actually rested. The amount of bullshit that goes into vacations is hard to even imagine until you experience being free of it. Even having to make a decision when, where and what to eat on a given day is a hidden source of background anxiety. On an all-inclusive, the only thing you need to worry about is what to do with all the worry-free leisure time you have.

So yeah, I agree with your conclusions. And in particular:

> people who are into custom stuff they want to do themselves (and don't pay) niche or get "all inclusive" and don't care about anything whales

Sometimes, perhaps often, those might be the same people. Personally, my all-inclusive experience convinced me that I should mentally separate the type of travel I want into categories. If I want to explore something niche, I'll continue to plan it myself. If I want to actually rest, I'll reach for the most bullshit-free all-inclusive experience I can get - as close as possible to "wire some money and be told what plane to catch".

(Though calling all-inclusive travelers "whales" is perhaps exaggerated - all-inclusives are ridiculously cheap these days, if you're willing to make compromises on luxury looks and you book far ahead in advance.)

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[0] - Because, of course, businesses are douchy like that.

[1] - Or, perhaps, to fail at saving money - because, again, businesses are douchy like that.

Re: Travel planning software: The most common bad startup idea (2012)

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post #27

I had founded Flights With Friends for group travel planning shortly before this post. I read it when it came out but knew the point about travel being rare wasn't the cause of these product failures. The trouble with trip planning software is that making one that is 10X better than just planning it manually is very, very difficult. People love thinking about their trip and online tools don't make that more fun for t…

> most people are always planning their next trip in their mind.

You may not be thinking of a representative sample of people.

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