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Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

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Re: Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

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> Even the PRC government now admits the camps exist Oh neat, I missed that. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2018/...

> Oh neat, I missed that. I think that was pretty impossible to miss if you were following the story at all. And if you weren't following the story, why comment on it?

I never said I was following the story. I just traveled there and have Chinese friends/family in the US and in China. That's why I commented.

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What happened when we finally left Vietnam? Absolutely nothing, that's what. Lot fewer people dying from napalm. We had to support one-way helicopter rides under Pinochet and contras gunning down nuns? Or else the soviets win? If it's about national pride and staying on top, fine, but don't tell me it's human rights with that record. The Chinese haven't acted with force outside of what they consider their soil/sea in…

> Absolutely nothing, that's what. Hundreds of thousands were massacred by the Viet Cong after the US left, and hundreds of thousands more died in the ensuing refugee crisis.

After 20 years of war with colonial powers, I'm glad we can agree that it was really the Vietnamese who were the bad guys.

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The apps have nothing to do with their views on Taiwan.

It's impossible to say how much the apps have really affected individual viewpoints, but it's very obvious that the company has an agenda. [1] [1] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/sep/25/revealed-...

Well, I'm not sure they have a choice! :)

My original point was I believe it has to do with their life and schooling in China, not so much social media apps.

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From a tactical point a view it looks a minor issue, except of course for the people of Taiwan. I cannot imagine what somebody in Taiwan, born and raised in a democracy, might be thinking when looking at what is happening in Hong Kong From the Strategic point of view, you have to look at a map to see what that would mean. China would take over Taiwan, and immediately expand its sea island building around its borders.…

I don't know where this absurd idea came from that "China invading Taiwan" means "Australia/Japan would be next!". As far as the PRC is concerned, Taiwan is a part of China. They wouldn't be invading another nations, they would simply be reclaiming sovereignty over a renegade province. That is something entirely different from invading a Western ally. One thing has absolutely no bearing on the other.

Well historically Taiwan could argue China is the renegade province. See other comments in this thread for the context.

I think you are missing the main point. Despite an arbitration court ruling against it, China decided all of the China Sea is theirs: https://im-media.voltron.voanews.com/Drupal/01live-166/style...

"The South China Sea Arbitration (The Republic of Philippines v. The People's Republic of China)" https://pca-cpa.org/en/cases/7/

Started making artificial islands in the middle of nowhere, and now says all foreign vessels need to report in their ‘territorial waters’.

"China to require foreign vessels to report in ‘territorial waters’" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28395358

Have a look at a map, and see the distance from Yonaguni ( Japan ) to Taiwan and the distance Yonaguni to mainland Japan. You think China will do what they are doing in Hong Kong, Xinjiang, South China Sea and suddenly...Come to their senses and stop, specially if unchallenged for previous actions?

If they do this in the other side of the world: "Hundreds of fishing vessels vanishing along Argentina’s waters" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27412691

What will they do at their door?

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JP/TW had "security" dialogue that basically amounted to JP begging Taiwan for semi fabs. JP isn't going to do shit because like US they're even less capable of defending TW. JP actions has been all rhetoric. It means nothing until they commit to credible but politically expensive actions. Some notional missile force increase on Ryukyu is theatre when what's needed is massive mobilization of main islands (and put eve…

This is not your first wolf warrior post. I don’t see a need to rebut your false claims and would encourage folks to read your comment history.

Acknowledging reality is wolf warrior now? Yes, I encourage people to read my comment history on the subject to get sense of current US/PRC strategic thinking and update their model likely formed by bad takes from pop Chinawatching sources. Consensus today is dramatically different than consensus from 5/10 years ago, yet there's still folks pretending TW is hard to invade / easy to defend nonesense arguments from 20 years ago.

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US has sophisticated missile defense systems and enough nukes to send the entire continent of asia back to the stone age. A nuclear war started by any other nation than the U.S. is literally suicide, and these world leaders know it which is why all there has been since WWII in terms of nuclear warfare is saber rattling.

No sane person would initiate a first strike --it's uncertain whether someone would be able to launch a full retaliatory strike. Only insane people like Castro and LeMay would give orders to launch. Today's nukes are near-civilization ending. They are not the equivalent of a month's worth of carpet bombing executed in one sortie.

Nukes have been civilization ending since the 1960s. You should see the plans made by American planners at the time. They joked about having to turn the nation of Albania into nothing. US has enough sensors to track when launches occur that a retaliatory strike would be launched almost immediately. Even if missiles somehow got through to the continent, we have many of them in discrete locations on submarines, waiting to launch. We are even using our navy more for missile defense since there are advantages to being mobile and ephemeral than having a fixed defensive battery that everyone can see on google earth satellite imagery.

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China's arsenal is almost a full order of magnitude smaller than just what the US has currently deployed and ready for launch (not counting the rest of the stockpile which is like 4x the size). We have enough weaponry to completely overwhelm their defenses. China does not.

“ Mr. President, I'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed. But I do say no more than ten to twenty million killed, tops. Uh, depending on the breaks.” -General Buck Turgidson, Dr Strangelove Here it is in video form, watch it so you can see how ridiculous your idea is: https://youtube.com/watch?v=HgyjlqhiTV8

More chilling quotes happened in real life:

"SIOP-62 included the virtual obliteration of the tiny country of Albania because within its borders sat huge Soviet air-defense radar, which had to be taken out with high assurance. Power smiled at Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara and said with a mock straight face: "Well, Mr. Secretary, I hope you don't have any friends or relations in Albania, because we are just going to have to wipe it out.""

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_Integrated_Operational_...

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It's partly due Chinese brainwashing, and partly due to American brainwashing. Imagine whenever an American expat talks to a foreigner, which happens daily, someone mentions racism in US. Very soon people will get really sick and tired of hearing about it, and will emotionally deny/downplay its existence.

Long-term American expat here. I know you're only trying to make a point, but racism is almost never the first thing anyone mentions, even if they're talking about America, which usually isn't the first thing someone wants to talk about. And when it does come up? Well yeah, racism in America is a huge problem, and I don't think expats have any problem talking about it. Being thin-skinned about your country's complica…

> racism is almost never the first thing anyone mentions, even if they're talking about America

Sadly that's not the experience of Chinese expat and immigrants, especially those in the States. Many people can face criticism, but few enjoys being bombarded with the same criticism everyday.

In fact, American netizens probably has a similar experience and reaction. You just have to look at some sibling comments to see how they deflect and downplay racism, despite my clear intention of just using it to demonstrate a point, as opposed to seriously criticize US on this worldwide problem.

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China's hypersonic missiles have shorter range than an F35 launched from a carrier with midair refuel drone. The only issue is that we'd want our carriers closer in practice. Close to the action means faster response times. If we are willing to destroy Chinese satellites, then China's kill chain becomes much harder. I'm not convinced that a drone or spyplane can reliably penetrate the defensive line of destroyers + c…

A drone could not penetrate a defensive line of destroyers, cruisers, and E2 Hawkeyes. However, a destroyer costs $870 million. I can build a drone for around $870 which has decent range, and sufficient firepower to do real damage if attacking with sufficient precision (e.g. placing a small explosive charge directly within a barrel). That means I can launch a million drones for the cost of one destroyer. I'm pretty s…

You can also launch 870 cruise missiles for the cost of one destroyer from a greater range with greater destruction.

Actually, this is wrong. That is the cost of the missiles, not the cost of the launch platform, nor the cost of the personnel, nor the cost of the logistics.

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Who cares what it was / wasn't part of. The majority of people in HK don't want to be part of China. That's all that matters. > We Chinese eventually will get rid of CCP, but we don't want the great nation get split. Dude, what? HK hasn't been part of China for years. What possible justification could you have for re-integrating it. This isn't about preventing a split, this is about undoing a split, and destroying a…

> The majority of people in HK don't want to be part of China. Where is your evidence? I have friends live and working in HK. Certainly the silent majority doesn't care much. Like any normal people, they prefer better life and rewarding career, than being full time protester. The 2016 US election already showed that the silent majority rarely aligned with the mainstream rhetoric. Please be mindful about the reality.

> > The majority of people in HK don't want to be part of China.

The pro-democracy camp, who overwhemingly supported the anti-extradition (anti-CCP) protests in 2019, had a landslide victory during the District Council Election in 2019 [1].

CCP, realizing that fair elections could threaten its rule in Hong Kong, later imposed the National Security Law and arrested lots of opposition members [2].

And then many HKers voted with their feet, literally not being part of China, to show their distrust of the future of Hong Kong under CCP rule [3].

> Where is your evidence?

> Please be mindful about the reality.

[1]: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/24/world/asia/hong-kong-elec...

[2]: https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/one-year-hong-kon...

[3]: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/07/14/hong-kong-ex...

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