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OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by guntars »

exabrial wrote: post #601
drewg123 wrote: post #426

For those of you arguing against getting vaccinated, please go volunteer at a local hospital. I'm currently in the hospital in the "red" part of my purple state. I had an acute appendicitis, and had to wait in a temporary, crowded, understaffed holding area in the ER for over 18 hours before getting admitted for treatment. My roommate in the hospital has an infected foot, and waited over 24 hours to be admitted. He m…

> "Arguing against vaccination" Stop. You're intentionally skewing what's being said and making the problem worse. People are against _forced_ medical procedures by a government. A small minority is anti-science, but you give them a voice every time YOU do what you just did.

Please visit r/HermanCainAward to see a representative sample of people objecting to said “forced medical procedure” and their arguments why.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by UncleMeat »

furgooswft13 wrote: post #529
UncleMeat wrote: post #476

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are absolutely enormous anti-smoking adversing and education campaigns. Cigarettes are mandated by law to have very specific packaging that loudly lists the risk of death. Large taxes are placed on them. In a great many places you are not allowed to smoke in public. Smokers have higher health insurance premiums and cannot access certain kinds of medical care like various organ transplants. Selling a cigarette t…

Who is trying to get people fired from their jobs because they smoke?

If you come to my workplace and smoke indoors and refuse to stop, you'll be fired. At this point, I'd wager that the large majority of jobs in the US ban smoking indoors at the workplace. There are also various state (and perhaps federal?) laws that prevent indoor smoking in a great many locations.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by pandaman »

HWR_14 wrote: post #654
pandaman wrote: post #543

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I was a youth vaccines gave immunity to their recipients, that doesn't seem to be a case now.

No, when you were a youth enough people were vaccinated that the RE dropped to almost nothing, meaning there were no breakouts. They never gave 100% immunity. They were also more numerically effective at keeping people from turning into a carrier, but they had the benefits of decades of tuning.

If vaccines never gave immunity how come people who had the natural immunity from having the disease naturally were not required to be vaccinated? Actually even in my older years all I had to present as a proof of vaccination to the US government was my blood with antibodies.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by dang »

drewg123 wrote: post #426

For those of you arguing against getting vaccinated, please go volunteer at a local hospital. I'm currently in the hospital in the "red" part of my purple state. I had an acute appendicitis, and had to wait in a temporary, crowded, understaffed holding area in the ER for over 18 hours before getting admitted for treatment. My roommate in the hospital has an infected foot, and waited over 24 hours to be admitted. He m…

> If they were to just die at home instead of

Please don't post in the flamewar style to HN. Arguing that the other side should die is beyond the pale—I realize people on the internet are going there with alacrity, but it's exactly the kind of thing we don't want here, regardless of how right you are or feel you are. Please don't post like this to HN.

I can certainly understand why you feel strongly under the circumstances and hope you get excellent care and get well soon.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by moistrobot »

pc86 wrote: post #605
ecommerceguy wrote: post #571

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My sister is a nurse in a "red" state. During Covid they CLOSED 3 entire floors of the Hospital due to inactivity, she was PISSED because those floors could have easily been used as overflow. And yes thay are "full" now because operational capacity has been significantly reduced. >>"I almost wish that the anti-vaxxers would just stick to their science-rejecting principles and reject all health care, not just the vacc…

Wishing consistency in thought? Reread it. They're not wishing death on anyone. But the healthcare system is overloaded primarily due to people rejecting the vaccine that the healthcare system has been begging people to get for quite some time.

that's what some people are saying yes. other possibly reasons include obesity, smoking habits, alcoholism, vaccine mandates on hospital staff, poor budgeting and planning by the hospital administrators on predicting ICU capacity.

It's so easy to reduce this one variable thinking. But the oversimplification is what is dividing us

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by UncleMeat »

lax4ever wrote: post #523
UncleMeat wrote: post #476

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are absolutely enormous anti-smoking adversing and education campaigns. Cigarettes are mandated by law to have very specific packaging that loudly lists the risk of death. Large taxes are placed on them. In a great many places you are not allowed to smoke in public. Smokers have higher health insurance premiums and cannot access certain kinds of medical care like various organ transplants. Selling a cigarette t…

The difference being that people's general livelihoods are not being affected by these campaigns and requirements. The choice is still available to people even if there are restrictions on use and distribution. That is not the case with the vaccine.

In my state, if I work at a restaurant and I smoke indoors on the job that is against the law. A tremendous number of jobs ban indoor smoking among employees and will absolutely fire you if you don't comply.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by Hunter235711 »

I am not anti-vax, but I STRONGLY oppose this vaccine mandate. Looking at the CDC data here: (https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Deaths-by-Sex...) there have been 3,043 covid deaths in the 18-29 year range out of 103,738 total deaths in that same age range.

I'm 29 and in good health. I know I'm much more likely to die from activities I enjoy like rock climbing, farm work, skydiving, driving my car, but I don't wan't my employer mandating I can't do those things. I have weighed the risks. I want to get covid eventually if I haven't already for better protection against future variants that could have worse survival rates for my age range (https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-on...) If I were older, I would choose to get the vaccine.

Also, people will say that I'm going to spread it to others. Well the CDC states that "preliminary evidence suggests that fully vaccinated people who do become infected with the delta variant can spread the virus to others" and recommends they wear masks! (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vac...) I suspect that if I get covid and quarantine, I'll be less likely to spread the delta variant than someone who is vaccinated after I recover (people who have had been vaccinated are 13 times more likely to get infected than unvaccinated people who were previously infected with covid according to the science.org article I linked above)

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by ctrlp »

mchusma wrote: post #674

IMO there is only one argument for not dropping all restrictions and a complete return to normalcy, it's "what about the children?" Here is their BS response: "The FDA is undergoing a process now to evaluate a vaccine for children under the age of 12, and under the President’s plan, the Administration will do whatever it takes to support those efforts, while continuing to respect and defer to the scientific decision-…

I guess you don't subscribe to the possibility of mid-term and long-term effects of gene therapies. A pregnancy takes 9 months (which is longer than 8 weeks if my math is correct) and involves a child under 12 (again, check my math). But you're right! All this hand-wringing about 'the children' is just safetyism.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by dang »

ecommerceguy wrote: post #571
drewg123 wrote: post #426

For those of you arguing against getting vaccinated, please go volunteer at a local hospital. I'm currently in the hospital in the "red" part of my purple state. I had an acute appendicitis, and had to wait in a temporary, crowded, understaffed holding area in the ER for over 18 hours before getting admitted for treatment. My roommate in the hospital has an infected foot, and waited over 24 hours to be admitted. He m…

My sister is a nurse in a "red" state. During Covid they CLOSED 3 entire floors of the Hospital due to inactivity, she was PISSED because those floors could have easily been used as overflow. And yes thay are "full" now because operational capacity has been significantly reduced. >>"I almost wish that the anti-vaxxers would just stick to their science-rejecting principles and reject all health care, not just the vacc…

Please don't respond to flamebait by taking the thread further into full-out flamewar. That's exactly what we don't want here, regardless of how right you are or feel you are.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by x86_64Ubuntu »

commandlinefan wrote: post #591
x86_64Ubuntu wrote: post #464

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People are dying from simple stuff while waiting for ICU beds, but the anti-vaxx crowd doesn't really care. https://people.com/health/u-s-army-veteran-dies-of-treatable... https://www.ky3.com/2021/08/27/man-dies-waiting-icu-bed-fami...

> waiting for ICU beds Not saying this isn't happening, but the phrasing here is a little disingenuous - there are plenty of beds , just not enough doctors and nurses to staff them. And why is that? In many cases, it's because the doctors and nurses themselves refuse to take an experimental vaccine and are being furloughed or terminated.

In either case, the man died due to anti-vaxx sentiment. Either because anti-vaxx people were flooding the ICU, or because anti-vaxx staff were getting furloughed for non-compliance.
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