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OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by disneygibson »

artificialLimbs wrote: post #615
kook_throwaway wrote: post #490

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Lots of folks afraid to take a shot that's been well-studied and given to millions and is, in all probability, quite safe. ;) That's one way to describe it. Another less charitable way to describe it: a novel gene therapy being deployed by organizations with a long history of experimenting on the people they were meant to protect. Pfizer and J&J got the two biggest fines ever handed out by the US government, and mod…

We used to like spraying DDT on kids at pool parties until the 'settled science' got challenged.

It is really scary how trustful people are of pharmaceutical corporations. We don’t even need to go back to DDT; the opioid epidemic was quite recent. What happened to the skeptics?

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by geofft »

commandlinefan wrote: post #591
x86_64Ubuntu wrote: post #464

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People are dying from simple stuff while waiting for ICU beds, but the anti-vaxx crowd doesn't really care. https://people.com/health/u-s-army-veteran-dies-of-treatable... https://www.ky3.com/2021/08/27/man-dies-waiting-icu-bed-fami...

> waiting for ICU beds Not saying this isn't happening, but the phrasing here is a little disingenuous - there are plenty of beds , just not enough doctors and nurses to staff them. And why is that? In many cases, it's because the doctors and nurses themselves refuse to take an experimental vaccine and are being furloughed or terminated.

Is there data about how much of the staffing shortage is due to staff refusing to take a (non-ezperimental) vaccine, vs. staff deciding they'd rather have a job that doesn't expose them to covid every day, vs. staff that have died?

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by reportgunner »

dadoge wrote: post #226
pibechorro wrote: post #174

Authoritarianism Incorporated.

Let me guess, seat belt mandates are also “authoritarian”? What about measles vaccine requirements? Have you complained about those recently? Believe it or not, there was a time when measles wasn’t a thing and very few question the need for a measles vaccine now. What about the broad polio vaccine rollout? Vaccine hesitancy has been a thing, but never this strongly along party lines

You can't lose your job over not wearing a seat belt can you ?

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by sanp »

exabrial wrote: post #601
drewg123 wrote: post #426

For those of you arguing against getting vaccinated, please go volunteer at a local hospital. I'm currently in the hospital in the "red" part of my purple state. I had an acute appendicitis, and had to wait in a temporary, crowded, understaffed holding area in the ER for over 18 hours before getting admitted for treatment. My roommate in the hospital has an infected foot, and waited over 24 hours to be admitted. He m…

> "Arguing against vaccination" Stop. You're intentionally skewing what's being said and making the problem worse. People are against _forced_ medical procedures by a government. A small minority is anti-science, but you give them a voice every time YOU do what you just did.

All 50 states require children to be vaccinated for a range of other diseases. So, we already do that in the interest of public safety. What's different here? What is the absolute freedom that is applicable here that is not applicable for other vaccination requirements? This crowd of anti-vaxxers skews heavily to one political orientation. I am not sure they are genuinely against forced government anything (the same crowd will vote for anti-abortion laws, heavy police powers and so on)

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Post by belltaco »

ecommerceguy wrote: post #571
drewg123 wrote: post #426

For those of you arguing against getting vaccinated, please go volunteer at a local hospital. I'm currently in the hospital in the "red" part of my purple state. I had an acute appendicitis, and had to wait in a temporary, crowded, understaffed holding area in the ER for over 18 hours before getting admitted for treatment. My roommate in the hospital has an infected foot, and waited over 24 hours to be admitted. He m…

My sister is a nurse in a "red" state. During Covid they CLOSED 3 entire floors of the Hospital due to inactivity, she was PISSED because those floors could have easily been used as overflow. And yes thay are "full" now because operational capacity has been significantly reduced. >>"I almost wish that the anti-vaxxers would just stick to their science-rejecting principles and reject all health care, not just the vacc…

>During Covid they CLOSED 3 entire floors of the Hospital due to inactivity

Wasn't that because there weren't many cases due to people social distancing and opting out of elective surgeries and healthcare because of fear of infection? Hospitals are private institutions and will reduce staff. I think the proposed CARES act last had funding but wasn't passed during the then administration.

>Comments like this are just pure disgraceful and disgusting. What sort of degenerate would wish this upon others blows my mind

Whatever happened to personal responsibility? People (ab)use freedom they don't want the consequences of doing so? They nod to all the politicians, talking heads, social media posts demonizing medical scientists, healthcare workers, doctors and then run to the hospital once sick? Don't you think there's a problem here with minimizing the dangers of covid and promoting unproven magic cures? Anyway I think unvaccinated people should be deprioritized if hospitals are full, unless they have a proven medical reason to not get vaccinated.

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Post by HWR_14 »

mfer wrote: post #429
robmccoll wrote: post #364

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Yeah what's next? Making other behaviors that have a small but established likelihood of endangering the lives of others or their property illegal at little to no cost to the liberty of an individual? Pretty soon I won't be able to drive my car under the influence, or without proper insurance, or while not wearing a seatbelt, or I won't be able to discharge my firearms in my 0.2 acre backyard in a suburban area. 650,…

An interesting element is my choice vs choices put on me. There is another angle people talk about... The building I work in was designed and built by others. Regulations mean they can't cut corners in their impact of me. A vaccine that protects me from getting the virus or getting a serious case. It's a difference between others work impacting my safety and my own choices impacting my safety. This is an area worth p…

No one is asking that you get the vaccine. Go buy 50 acres and subsistence farm by yourself. Or do you mean you'd still want to clog up a hospital bed for two months if you get sick. Because I'm pretty sure that impacts everyone.

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Post by frumper »

ecommerceguy wrote: post #583
rejectedandsad wrote: post #446

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There are a surprising number of nurses that are unvaccinated (much more than Doctors, of which very few are unvaccinated).

Do you have a source for this?

https://www.ama-assn.org/system/files/2021-06/physician-vacc...

96% for doctors

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Post by belltaco »

ecommerceguy wrote: post #613
drewg123 wrote: post #611

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Ask people who have waited for health care, or had loved ones die due to delayed care. Hospitals were closed due to inactivity LAST YEAR , before vaccines, because people were AFRAID TO GET COVID and expected to get it when going to a hospital. I can assure you that the hospital I'm in has no closed floors.

Those floors are still closed Drew, and my sister is still pissed off about it. You've been on all of the floors in that hospital? >>because people were AFRAID TO GET COVID and expected to get it when going to a hospital. Wrong, one of the floors closed was the 7th floor where heart attack and stroke patients go. They closed due to lack of patients having heart attacks and strokes. These floors could be open right no…

So hospitals should take financial losses(or get govt handouts to compensate) but people shouldn't need to get a jab in order not to end up in one?

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Post by geofft »

ecommerceguy wrote: post #613
drewg123 wrote: post #611

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ask people who have waited for health care, or had loved ones die due to delayed care. Hospitals were closed due to inactivity LAST YEAR , before vaccines, because people were AFRAID TO GET COVID and expected to get it when going to a hospital. I can assure you that the hospital I'm in has no closed floors.

Those floors are still closed Drew, and my sister is still pissed off about it. You've been on all of the floors in that hospital? >>because people were AFRAID TO GET COVID and expected to get it when going to a hospital. Wrong, one of the floors closed was the 7th floor where heart attack and stroke patients go. They closed due to lack of patients having heart attacks and strokes. These floors could be open right no…

From the link you provide:

> In the midst of a pandemic, the advice from medical professionals to “stay home, save lives” may be preventing patients from seeking medical care when symptoms of stroke arise due to fear of contracting COVID-19. Anecdotal reports across the United States are highlighting missed care during the current COVID-19 pandemic...

i.e., yes, "people are afraid to get covid and expect to get it when going to a hospital" is an accurate description. The lack of patients having heart attacks and strokes is a lack of people willing to go to a hospital, not a lack of heart attacks and strokes.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by niij »

dang wrote: post #77
pokeymcsnatch wrote: post #72

So uh... I wouldn't normally do this, but this post isn't showing up anymore and so discussion has stopped. Why?

It set off the flamewar detector. It's also a dupe of https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28472856 .

Hi dang, thanks for the hard work.

I want to point out this is not a dupe of the "Biden to mandate coronavirus vaccine for federal workers" thread. This thread is talking about private employers with 100 or more employees; not necessarily federal employees.

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