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OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by SamoyedFurFluff »

edot wrote: post #383
josho wrote: post #280

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I haven't spoken to an anti-vaxxer yet. Those that I've seen in the media have been completely irrational (5g/bill gates theories). So, I'm looking forward to learning from a rational person what their motivations are. What are your reasons to refuse a vaccine? Weren't you vaccinated as a child for polio & chicken pox? Why is this vaccine a hill to die on? Thanks.

I’m vaccinated, but against this vaccine mandate. My proposed method is this: 1) If you want to get vaccinated, get vaccinated. 2) If you don’t, don’t. 3) If you go to the hospital with a COVID infection, your care is covered by insurance if you are vaccinated. If you are not, your care is not covered by insurance. This allows people to make decisions about their bodies, while also fending off the two main arguments…

The problem is that unvaccinated people still take resources up, insurance or no. People who need surgery for cancer or need an ICU bed.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by pc86 »

ecommerceguy wrote: post #583
rejectedandsad wrote: post #446

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There are a surprising number of nurses that are unvaccinated (much more than Doctors, of which very few are unvaccinated).

Do you have a source for this?

Not the GP but for which claim?

Anecdotally I don't know of any physician I've met in person (my SO and most of her family are all physicians) who isn't vaccinated. I've heard of a couple through stories so it might be 1-2% in my 1st and 2nd level of connections? Meanwhile every single physician I've spoken to about it knows at least a handful of nurses who aren't vaccinated and cite pseudoscientific nonsense as the justification.

Nurses are great but the difference in bar to entry and education between a physician and a nurse is staggering.

Edit: Here is a source from a couple months ago citing 96% physician vaccination rate and https://www.forbes.com/sites/judystone/2021/06/28/covid19-va...

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by HWR_14 »

exabrial wrote: post #601
drewg123 wrote: post #426

For those of you arguing against getting vaccinated, please go volunteer at a local hospital. I'm currently in the hospital in the "red" part of my purple state. I had an acute appendicitis, and had to wait in a temporary, crowded, understaffed holding area in the ER for over 18 hours before getting admitted for treatment. My roommate in the hospital has an infected foot, and waited over 24 hours to be admitted. He m…

> "Arguing against vaccination" Stop. You're intentionally skewing what's being said and making the problem worse. People are against _forced_ medical procedures by a government. A small minority is anti-science, but you give them a voice every time YOU do what you just did.

> People are against _forced_ medical procedures by a government.

No, they really aren't. No one is against eye tests as part of driving. No one is against a hospital saving an unconscious person's life without prior consent. No one was even against vaccinations to go to school.

And this isn't even a "forced medical procedure". It's a requirement for large corporations, not people.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by gilbetron »

disneygibson wrote: post #485
burntwater wrote: post #474

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I never understand this whole "99% survival rate" being presented as if that's low. I don't know about you, but if I'm around something that has a 1 in 100 chance of killing me, I'm going to do everything I can to not let it, because those are NOT low odds. It also conveniently ignores the known and unknown long-haul effects from Covid, which impacts a significant percentage (20%?). I, for one, like staying in relati…

Like I said, your ancestors had 99% more courage and confidence in the face of danger you can’t even begin to imagine. But, we are a terrified people and so we continue to build a safety space cocoon around ourselves.

The ancestors would have taken the vaccine in a heartbeat (as they did with polio). The ancestors worked really hard and faced all that danger to make the world a better, safer place so they didn't have to watch loved ones die. People that don't take the vaccine are spitting in their faces.

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Post by w0m »

ecommerceguy wrote: post #571
drewg123 wrote: post #426

For those of you arguing against getting vaccinated, please go volunteer at a local hospital. I'm currently in the hospital in the "red" part of my purple state. I had an acute appendicitis, and had to wait in a temporary, crowded, understaffed holding area in the ER for over 18 hours before getting admitted for treatment. My roommate in the hospital has an infected foot, and waited over 24 hours to be admitted. He m…

My sister is a nurse in a "red" state. During Covid they CLOSED 3 entire floors of the Hospital due to inactivity, she was PISSED because those floors could have easily been used as overflow. And yes thay are "full" now because operational capacity has been significantly reduced. >>"I almost wish that the anti-vaxxers would just stick to their science-rejecting principles and reject all health care, not just the vacc…

> And yes they are "full" now because operational capacity has been significantly reduced.

This is the kicker. It affects different areas disproportionately at different times; but on a response level we're pretending "my region!" is all areas in these discussions at all times.

> Comments like this are just pure disgraceful and disgusting. What sort of degenerate would wish this upon others blows my mind.

I want to be clear - he prefaced it with a simple "I almost...", not a "I wish". It's simply a comment on how hard it is that anti-vaxxers are actively killing others currently with forced-ration care; and how frustrating the lack of individual responsibility is.

Why should Alice die from (misc non-covid-related complication) because that care she needed went to John-from-accounting who was afraid of microchips in vaccines; but still went to that football game last week and can't breath now?

That's not to say that's happening everywhere; but it's definitely happening.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by [deleted] »

Zambyte wrote: post #538
kook_throwaway wrote: post #490

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>Lots of folks afraid to take a shot that's been well-studied and given to millions and is, in all probability, quite safe. ;) That's one way to describe it. Another less charitable way to describe it: a novel gene therapy being deployed by organizations with a long history of experimenting on the people they were meant to protect. Pfizer and J&J got the two biggest fines ever handed out by the US government, and mod…

> a novel gene therapy I recommend a 7th grade biology class. mRNA does not touch genes at all. Let alone modify them.

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Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by artificialLimbs »

camillomiller wrote: post #378

I was commenting to a critical comment that was, in my opinion, controversial but acceptable. I don't know who flagged it and why, and it's now disappeared. Please, please, please: I'm the most provax person out there, but limiting the contrary voices won't lead this conversation anywhere constructive. The comment was saying the the policies against Covid so far were aimed at the distruction of normal. Here's what I…

>> There is no logical thinking in their thesis, and every critique is based on the rebuttal of statistics, numbers, and data-based decision making.

This is exactly what every person following the religion of scientism was saying when we were spraying kids with DDT, while those in touch with their intuition and insticts knew better.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by jonahbenton »

mfer wrote: post #575
jonahbenton wrote: post #554

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Indeed. People who raise this argument tend to ignore the fact that the most important impact of the vaccine is the systemic protection it offers against the irresponsibility of individual choice. The vaccine does not in fact guarantee person X will not be infected or hospitalized. Widespread vaccination does result in systemic reduction in community spread. Ponder that.

> The vaccine does not in fact guarantee person X will not be infected or hospitalized. Widespread vaccination does result in systemic reduction in community spread. We aren't going to wipe out COVID. It's here to stay. From people to animals. At some point most of us will likely get it. There has been a fair amount written on this. If we look at past times we had pandemics (e.g., pandemic of 1889-90) we can see patt…

"How we treat people along the way" is super important.

Associating public health mandates with (EDIT correcting typo) "forcing people is going to create enemies" is the opposite of being respectful of people.

Best wishes to you.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by HWR_14 »

ds206 wrote: post #558
drewg123 wrote: post #426

For those of you arguing against getting vaccinated, please go volunteer at a local hospital. I'm currently in the hospital in the "red" part of my purple state. I had an acute appendicitis, and had to wait in a temporary, crowded, understaffed holding area in the ER for over 18 hours before getting admitted for treatment. My roommate in the hospital has an infected foot, and waited over 24 hours to be admitted. He m…

Yeah, definitely blame unvaccinated people instead of our broken healthcare system. That makes 100% sense /s

> blame unvaccinated people instead of our broken healthcare system. That makes 100% sense

There hasn't been a healthcare system that didn't break in the past year (well, assuming a functional one to start with.) Whereas, there have been groups of people who broke the system (the unvaccinated, including groups pre-vaccine) and those who didn't (the vaccinated)

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