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Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by commandlinefan » Fri, Sep 10, 2021, 2:27 PM UTC

x86_64Ubuntu wrote: post #464

drewg123 wrote: post #426

For those of you arguing against getting vaccinated, please go volunteer at a local hospital. I'm currently in the hospital in the "red" part of my purple state. I had an acute appendicitis, and had to wait in a temporary, crowded, understaffed holding area in the ER for over 18 hours before getting admitted for treatment. My roommate in the hospital has an infected foot, and waited over 24 hours to be admitted. He m…

People are dying from simple stuff while waiting for ICU beds, but the anti-vaxx crowd doesn't really care. https://people.com/health/u-s-army-veteran-dies-of-treatable... https://www.ky3.com/2021/08/27/man-dies-waiting-icu-bed-fami...

> waiting for ICU beds

Not saying this isn't happening, but the phrasing here is a little disingenuous - there are plenty of beds, just not enough doctors and nurses to staff them. And why is that? In many cases, it's because the doctors and nurses themselves refuse to take an experimental vaccine and are being furloughed or terminated.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by tomrod » Fri, Sep 10, 2021, 2:27 PM UTC

ctrlp wrote: post #550

tomrod wrote: post #295

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Come on, quit fetishizing. Get vaccinated if you're medically able and let's get on with normalcy.

People need to stop thinking critically and accept what they're told so they can get back to a normal that is not at all normal but actually the 'new normal.'

In this case, as with most conspiracy theories regarding COVID, QANON, JFK, and more, "critical thinking" that supports the conspiratorial narrative has diminishing returns to scale.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by ecommerceguy » Fri, Sep 10, 2021, 2:27 PM UTC

a_conservative wrote: post #577

leesalminen wrote: post #468

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Did you go to an emergency room in 2019, by chance? Waiting many hours to be admitted has been the norm in American healthcare for a very long time.

Thank you for this needed comment. ER wait times were a problem before Covid. I've experienced waiting in an ER with a loved one who was convulsing, it was extremely scary and sobering to see how long we waited (about an hour or so). This was before covid. Emergency Rooms were scary and full before Covid!

I was hospitalized with the FLU Jan 20th 2016, that day this particular Hospital (a major university hospital in a large US city) reached a record for number of patients admitted. That record still stands to this day.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by chickenpotpie » Fri, Sep 10, 2021, 2:27 PM UTC

merpnderp wrote: post #391

bserge wrote: post #271

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Let's go even further and mandate psychological and physical tests, to make sure there are fewer deaths. You never know what goes through someone's head or whether a previous injury will lead to an accident. I'm only half joking, this could actually help me :D

You know what kills more than COVID? Sugar which causes cancer, diabetes, and heart disease. If we're going to go after COVID for the havoc it causes, there's a long list of similar issues that could be tackled with the same type of mandate. I don't look forward to our health-police state we apparently decided was a great idea. Well we didn't decide, because that would have required congress to pass a law. This was j…

Heart disease kills more people than covid because heart disease is an umbrella term for thousands of conditions, while covid-19 is one disease. Same for cancer, there are hundreds of types of cancer.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by giantg2 » Fri, Sep 10, 2021, 2:29 PM UTC

md_ wrote: post #467

giantg2 wrote: post #432

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It's also possible that the dissenters are aware and knowledgeable of the history of compulsory vaccines. The question in their minds might be how society determines which vaccines should fall into that mandatory category and what level of force the government and others should use to enforce it. For example, should flu vaccines be mandatory to attend school? Historically they have not been in any large degree (to my…

I don't see the necessary nuance for this debate to be meaningful. As a case in point: the OSHA regulations are for vaccination _or_ weekly testing. There's probably a reasonable debate to be had about requiring people to disclose vaccination status (but, again, significant precedent)--but I do think the hysterical reactions sound a bit funny when viewed as a reaction to being forced to spit into a cup once a week.

My comment was mostly about the parent stereotyping dissenters as being uninformed. That sort of stereotyping makes tricky topics even worse.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by pbaka » Fri, Sep 10, 2021, 2:29 PM UTC

TOMDM wrote: post #470

merpnderp wrote: post #391

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You know what kills more than COVID? Sugar which causes cancer, diabetes, and heart disease. If we're going to go after COVID for the havoc it causes, there's a long list of similar issues that could be tackled with the same type of mandate. I don't look forward to our health-police state we apparently decided was a great idea. Well we didn't decide, because that would have required congress to pass a law. This was j…

If people could take a shot or two that massively reduces the risk of sugar induced cancer, diabetes and heart disease they'd be fools not to take it.

It's called insulin shots. They're not cheap your side of the Atlantic.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by BoHerfIIIJrEsq » Fri, Sep 10, 2021, 2:30 PM UTC

thehappypm wrote: post #155

xupybd wrote: post #149

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A hard hat isn't a medical procedure. Some die from this vaccine. I weighed up the options and decided it was by far the lower risk option. I think people need to be free to make that choice. Freedom is so valuable.

Has anyone died from Pfizer? I’ve seen cases of heart inflammation, but I haven’t heard of any deaths.

I'm not certain I'm using VAERS correctly, but it looks to me as if there are 2,292 death reports associated with Pfizer's vaccine in the US alone, or 321 if I specify ages below 60. Whatever number of reports there are in VAERS is likely to be a small fraction of the true total.

This post brought to you some crazy number of minutes late due to rate limiting.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by slenk » Fri, Sep 10, 2021, 2:31 PM UTC

disneygibson wrote: post #584

slenk wrote: post #568

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At this point, long term side effects would be known about: "History tells us that severe side effects are extremely rare, and if they do occur, they usually happen within the first two months" https://www.muhealth.org/our-stories/how-do-we-know-covid-19...

So we can know the long term effects of a novel vaccine but we can’t know the long term effects of COVID? How does that make any sense? Don’t you think it’s more reasonable to assume we don’t know either?

Maybe? We have been studying vaccines and how they work since the 1800s...we have a lot more history with vaccines and how they work compared to a Coronavirus.

And two of the available vaccines don't even give you a dead infection like most vaccines - you can't get COVID from the COVID shot (Moderna or Pfizer)

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by 0xTJ » Fri, Sep 10, 2021, 2:32 PM UTC

ds206 wrote: post #558

drewg123 wrote: post #426

For those of you arguing against getting vaccinated, please go volunteer at a local hospital. I'm currently in the hospital in the "red" part of my purple state. I had an acute appendicitis, and had to wait in a temporary, crowded, understaffed holding area in the ER for over 18 hours before getting admitted for treatment. My roommate in the hospital has an infected foot, and waited over 24 hours to be admitted. He m…

Yeah, definitely blame unvaccinated people instead of our broken healthcare system. That makes 100% sense /s

Two things can be broken. But people who choose to be unvaccinated are imposing themselves as an added burden on society, and are acting selfish, though they're not even doing that because they're failing to protect themselves too.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by gilbetron » Fri, Sep 10, 2021, 2:32 PM UTC

robmccoll wrote: post #477

mfer wrote: post #429

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An interesting element is my choice vs choices put on me. There is another angle people talk about... The building I work in was designed and built by others. Regulations mean they can't cut corners in their impact of me. A vaccine that protects me from getting the virus or getting a serious case. It's a difference between others work impacting my safety and my own choices impacting my safety. This is an area worth p…

Society is a closed system. Mandating wearing seatbelts only saves me right? Except that someone will have to go to the effort of scraping me off the sidewalk, attempting to resuscitate me, transporting me to the hospital, resources at the hospital will be consumed that could have otherwise been preserved or applied elsewhere, and if I'm not insured, the cost of most of this will be borne by others. If I don't make i…

Wearing a seatbelt saves others besides you - people die and are injured by getting hit from non-seatbelt wearers, particularly those in the vehicle with them.

Helmet laws for motorcycles? I'm generally against them for the reason that it doesn't affect others (except in really weird edge cases) and I don't think we should mandate people risking their own lives (Except in situations where people don't realize the danger they are in)