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OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by tomrod »

walterbell wrote: post #8
lalaland1125 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would that change liability requirements? My fundamental question is that schools already have tons of vaccine requirements, so why should this one be considered special?

Because it alters the risk/benefit calculus. A sterilizing vaccine that stops transmission in its tracks, has a clear public health benefit to every part of society, even if there are risks. A non-sterilizing vaccine does not provide that society-wide public health benefit, leaving the employer to bear risks without benefit.

Every vaccine has a breakthrough rate.

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Post by anonymouse008 »

tomrod wrote: post #170
anonymouse008 wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe slightly off topic, but it’s always been odd to me how life insurance tests with vigor for tobacco use but lack that enthusiasm for metabolic health / diet.

You can control your tobacco use. That is why Pigovian taxation is effective.

I’ll go where you’re alluding

A “food desert” doesn’t account for the person who consistently orders two flavors in their tall iced coffee (usually equates to 6+ oz of simple syrup); that’s a choice — and a severe negative externality.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by tyingq »

loonster wrote: post #178
anonymouse008 wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe slightly off topic, but it’s always been odd to me how life insurance tests with vigor for tobacco use but lack that enthusiasm for metabolic health / diet.

I believe Obamacare banned testing for everything except tobacco. Edit: oh life insurance, thanks.

I'm doubtful Obamacare would regulate life insurance.

As far as I know, life insurance policies of significant amounts still do medical exams. And care about drug use, tobacco use, high blood pressure, disclosure about things like past cancer diagnosis, lifestyle stuff (skydiving, climbing, and so on) etc.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by justaman »

version_five wrote: post #39
asquabventured wrote: post #13

I refuse to comply with this over reach and I’m fully vaccinated

I agree and support this. People want to conflate the issues of not believing in vaccines (or whatever words they like to put in peoples mouths) and believing in having to provide proof of a personal health situation all over the place. It's convenient to pretend that anyone who is against government and corporate overreach is an "anti-vaxxer" instead of actually engage with the issue.

They have literally redefined "anti-vaxxer" in a similar way to how "racism" was redefined. Its being used as a tool for control.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by fogof »

NetOpWibby wrote: post #175
the-dude wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What makes you think it is different in other countries?

I didn't, nor did I imply. OSHA is America-based, yes?

Your comment was literally "#America", certainly this implies you think it's different in other countries, otherwise, why would you highlight the Americanness?

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by over_the_raibow »

antattack wrote: post #108
captainredbeard wrote: post #11

Why must I be vaccinated if the vaccine doesn't prevent spread? Preventing spread to other people is the only plausible reason to force everyone to take it. I am comfortable catching the disease and even comfortable dying from it (the numbers are vastly on my side). I do far riskier things on a regular basis (extreme sports) and I do not understand the infantilization of society. Join the feedlot if you want but I wi…

Due to it's high transmissibility, pretty much everyone will be exposed to it. When it happens, you'll be in much better shape if you're vaccinated because dying from it is not the only complication. To put it plainly, problem with COVID-19 is that it makes your own immune system damage your body as it scrambles defenses, confused. With vaccine, much less so.

No. You will not. Immunity from getting the virus is better than vaccine aquired immunity

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Post by kaydub »

xupybd wrote: post #85

I'm one shot in but think this is a huge government overreach to require this from businesses.

Absolutely not.

The US legislature has the right to regulate commerce in the US according to the US Constitution. Healthcare of workers and the overall impact of covid are two things directly affecting the economy.

The legislature already has the former of these covered by the creation of OSHA in the 1970s. OSHA is a regulatory agency under the Department of Labor, which is part of the executive cabinet.

The executive is now using these powers granted by the legislature to ensure workers are protected in their work environments.

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Post by sAbakumoff »

the-dude wrote: post #167
NetOpWibby wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

#America

What makes you think it is different in other countries?

Most EU countries reached high vaccination rate without extreme measures because people here are not poisoned with right wing propaganda.

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Post by tyingq »

captainredbeard wrote: post #11

Why must I be vaccinated if the vaccine doesn't prevent spread? Preventing spread to other people is the only plausible reason to force everyone to take it. I am comfortable catching the disease and even comfortable dying from it (the numbers are vastly on my side). I do far riskier things on a regular basis (extreme sports) and I do not understand the infantilization of society. Join the feedlot if you want but I wi…

>if the vaccine doesn't prevent spread

I'm curious about this. I understand "doesn't prevent all spread", but surely it prevents notable amounts of spread by reducing the amount of people walking around with high viral load, reduced hospitalization, herd immunity, and so on.

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