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Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Story rank dropped from #40 to #250, rather than decaying organically. Perhaps it was flagged by multiple people? http://hnrankings.info/28474997/ Emailing hn@ycombinator.com might help. This topic affects 10's of millions of Americans.

I sent a message. I'm really interested in the HN discussion of this.. it's disappointing to see it just drop off the site.

Probably because someone makes sure that we all follow the proper party line.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Recent and related: Biden to mandate coronavirus vaccine for federal workers - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28472856 - Sept 2021 (262 comments) The titles are emphasizing two different things, but it's the same announcement.

Aren't both of these titles editorialised and against guidelines? The original title of the page is: "Path out of the Pandemic, President Biden's COVID-19 Action Plan", shouldn't that, or a derivative have been used instead?

And yet both are informative, which is not true of the title you propose.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Why must I be vaccinated if the vaccine doesn't prevent spread? Preventing spread to other people is the only plausible reason to force everyone to take it. I am comfortable catching the disease and even comfortable dying from it (the numbers are vastly on my side). I do far riskier things on a regular basis (extreme sports) and I do not understand the infantilization of society. Join the feedlot if you want but I wi…

I would agree with your argument, if I accepted your hypothetical that the vaccine doesn't prevent spread.

However, the vaccine does prevent spread.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-br...

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Sadly, there won't be nearly enough who feel as you do. But I wholeheartedly applaud your statement!

It only has to be enough in certain industries. Trucking, food production, Oil & Gas, powerplant workers, linemen, water treatment, etc. In those essential industries, a small percentage of people walking out may wreck havoc on the whole nation. Those are also the same people that I expect are more anti covid vaccine.

I have heard that truckers in Australia and Brazil are already boycotting their respective governments due to COVID responses.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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I vaccinated within days of becoming eligible and I'm 100% against this mandate. To such an extent that I'll become a single-issue voter over it.

I would be with you if it weren’t for the “or test” part. “You must get vaccinated” would be problematic, but “you must do a COVID test once a week if you’re not vaccinated” is totally reasonable IMO.

It's "reasonable" in the sense of being slightly less draconian but completely unreasonable from a health perspective.

Think about it: two people enter a workplace. One is unvaccinated but recently tested, so it can be said with good confidence they are not infected. The other is vaccinated but may well be sick and spreading it, especially as effectiveness wanes quickly. The other is waved through, the first is penalized with constant charges. Who is making other people the safest here? It's not the vaccinated guy.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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But this is not like 1984 - it's much more like all those movies where you join the army, go to boot camp and get all your shots on the first day

joining the army is voluntary

Only sometimes

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Why must I be vaccinated if the vaccine doesn't prevent spread? Preventing spread to other people is the only plausible reason to force everyone to take it. I am comfortable catching the disease and even comfortable dying from it (the numbers are vastly on my side). I do far riskier things on a regular basis (extreme sports) and I do not understand the infantilization of society. Join the feedlot if you want but I wi…

I'm not sure I understand the principle here of refusing the vaccine (which does reduce spread, though doesn't make it impossible). If your employer paid you to come in early or stay late to get the vaccine -- why refuse?

Here's a 20-year Professor of Ethics take on it:

https://odysee.com/@percep7ioneer:e/Julie-Ponesse-Ethics-Pro...

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Why must I be vaccinated if the vaccine doesn't prevent spread? Preventing spread to other people is the only plausible reason to force everyone to take it. I am comfortable catching the disease and even comfortable dying from it (the numbers are vastly on my side). I do far riskier things on a regular basis (extreme sports) and I do not understand the infantilization of society. Join the feedlot if you want but I wi…

Due to it's high transmissibility, pretty much everyone will be exposed to it. When it happens, you'll be in much better shape if you're vaccinated because dying from it is not the only complication.

To put it plainly, problem with COVID-19 is that it makes your own immune system damage your body as it scrambles defenses, confused. With vaccine, much less so.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aren't both of these titles editorialised and against guidelines? The original title of the page is: "Path out of the Pandemic, President Biden's COVID-19 Action Plan", shouldn't that, or a derivative have been used instead?

And yet both are informative, which is not true of the title you propose.

This, usually, still does not stop the mods.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Why must I be vaccinated if the vaccine doesn't prevent spread? Preventing spread to other people is the only plausible reason to force everyone to take it. I am comfortable catching the disease and even comfortable dying from it (the numbers are vastly on my side). I do far riskier things on a regular basis (extreme sports) and I do not understand the infantilization of society. Join the feedlot if you want but I wi…

Because the only thing that really matters is that the health system survives. It has never been about individuals. It’s not about you. Vaccines protect from hospitalization, reducing the massive stress forced upon hospitals and health professionals. When a hospital has to deal with a large influx of Covid patients they have to dedicate a lot of their resources (mostly humans), which eventually causes a complete bottleneck: all resources are dedicated to people dying from covid and other patients have to be rejected, lot of them dying.

It’s really not something you want in your country or state. See what happened to Italy, India, Brazil, or is currently happening in overseas French territories, it’s a horrible situation to be in.

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