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Andrew Yang to launch a third party

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Re: Andrew Yang to launch a third party

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The real ultimate question is whether post-Trumpism will unite the Republican Party or result in a schism among Conservatives by 2024.

I'm not sure if it's just a vocal minority, but it sure seems to be the Party of Trump, no longer the Republican Party.

Trump is 50% of the Republican Party, but that wing is bigger than Trump. In polls where Trump isn’t running, De Santis picks up most of Trump’s votes: https://www.politico.com/news/2021/07/14/desantis-poll-2024-...

The establishment Republican leadership is unpopular for pretty much the reasons Democrats have been saying for 20 years: the base is much more fiscally moderate and cared more about social and cultural issues than the leadership.

Re: Andrew Yang to launch a third party

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post #107

I registered as a Democrat to vote for Andrew in the CA primary. I find his view of the state of the USA is much more current and much less clouded by the twisted incentives that drive so many career politicians. He has positions on just about every topic and explains the rationale behind them. It makes me wonder what the narrative against him would be. In the 2020 primaries and election, he wasn't taken seriously by…

The narrative against him is his refusal to adopt better policies. He wants to be seen as supporting M4A but when it's all done and dusted, he doesn't. That alone will prevent me from giving him a second look. We must look to redistributive policies. If an M4A proposal has flaws, for instance, the discussion needs to be focused 100% on closing those specific gaps. Because the problem is poor distribution of wealth an…

Why must we look to redistributive policies? If there is some systemic issue you would like to mitigate with redistribution, why not address the systemic issue?

Re: Andrew Yang to launch a third party

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Yang has never been my top choice, but I think he's generally a good dude. However a third party could be disastrous for the democrats, who can only just barely win elections due to the current structure of the electorate. Hopefully he will be more strategic than that, however. A third party could be really beneficial in some areas where democrats dominate everything.

I think Yang is a little like Ross Perot. He tells the truth but no one wants to listen and those who think he's a threat ridicule him and bash him --that doesn't mean I agree with all his points, but on the whole, I think I agree with him more then others. Who knows, if he runs as a third party candidate, I hope he does well. I'd probably give him my vote. The two incumbent parties trip over themselves to please ent…

Perot was a viable candidate. And as someone who didn't take him seriously... my lord was he right about the 'giant sucking sound'

Re: Andrew Yang to launch a third party

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>All the Republican Party needs is for DJT to die of natural causes, so that candidates can quibble over who is the true inheritor of his mantle I think Trump stopped being a viable figurehead for his own movement once the stop-the-steal movement and insurrection failed to prevent Biden's election, and date after date after date for Trump's triumphant return passed without incident. Republicans are going to have to m…

It's hard to forecast this. Trump supporters are effectively a cult, and every time something came along that made me think "ok, this time he's done it" (e.g., shooting someone on 5th Ave, which he was correct in his assessment), I've been proven wrong. We are still in uncharted waters.

Nope. They represent the economically moderate, culturally conservative segment of the population. (Fun fact: if you put Germany’s CDU’s positions into NYT’s political party poll, you end up in Trump’s Patriot Party: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/09/08/opinion/repub....

Re: Andrew Yang to launch a third party

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> I suppose the question ultimately will be whether his party pull more votes from Democrats or Republicans I think it's pretty clear that he'd pull more Dems than Reps. That would be a very bad thing in 2024, so you'll probably see a lot of encouragement from Republicans and an lot of discouragement from Democrats.

This is such a discouraging and sad view point. I'm not saying it's wrong, just pessimistic, and not blaming you for saying it just venting. Who cares if it's more x than y. Most voters are moderates. Myself, and many moderates, feel completely unrepresented by either side. Not liberal enough to vote D, and not conservative enough to vote R. You'd think they'd be drifting together, but increasingly are drifting furth…

"not liberal enough to vote D, not conservative enough to vote R"? That is a very reductive view. What do you actually support? Is climate change real? Do workers deserve more rights like minimum wage, fedrally mandated paid holidy, fixed working hours? Then there are "social" issues the government shoulden't even have a hand in unless you want a theoracy. The modern right only fights on the basis of said "social" issues. If that is the only thing important to you, vote R otherwise vote D but keep pressuring them. Also, even with countries with multiple parties it just turns into a race between two. In India its BJP or Congress, in Pakistan until very recently it was PPP or PML, now there is also PTI. In UK its conservative or labor. So you kust pick one of the two and push that one for what you want, there is no perfect representation no matter how many parties you have.

Re: Andrew Yang to launch a third party

#137
post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The real ultimate question is whether post-Trumpism will unite the Republican Party or result in a schism among Conservatives by 2024.

I'm not sure if it's just a vocal minority, but it sure seems to be the Party of Trump, no longer the Republican Party.

Personally, I wonder if it's less "party of Trump" and more "party of Winning".

A lot of Social Conservative policy is terrible for business (How much money was lost by states chasing those 'Bathroom Bill' regulations?). A lot of pro-business/Fiscal Conservative policy is difficult to square with traditional moral values (You want a traditional household with a full-time parent, but can't figure out that low wages make it impossible?)

Both factions seem willing to ignore this because they know they can win elections by their combined might.

I suspect if you look at it, you'll see that the party platform has become progressively more narrowly focused and sloganized as a result of that. Focusing on abortion and gay marriage to the exclusion of any more nuanced social issues throws a bone to the morality crowd without having to let them ask "isn't unconstrained billionaire greed a sin?" Simplifying all financial policy to "taxes bad" is pro-business but not as offensive to the morals crowd as admitting "systemic racism is probably leaving a lot of money and productivity on the table"

I suspect backing Trump is just further reaction on that scale. It worked once in dramatic style (they won an election largely seen a formality) so they're doubling down on it.

However, I'll say the same thing applies to a degree on the Democratic side, in a variant form. They've decided to go for "broad appeal" rather than "a few specific silo niches", which results in milk-toast moderate candidates that can't possibly offend anyone.

What's interesting is that any electoral success for either of these paradigms just reinforces them, but any failure never seems to cause rethink.

Re: Andrew Yang to launch a third party

#138
post #107

I registered as a Democrat to vote for Andrew in the CA primary. I find his view of the state of the USA is much more current and much less clouded by the twisted incentives that drive so many career politicians. He has positions on just about every topic and explains the rationale behind them. It makes me wonder what the narrative against him would be. In the 2020 primaries and election, he wasn't taken seriously by…

The narrative against him is his refusal to adopt better policies. He wants to be seen as supporting M4A but when it's all done and dusted, he doesn't. That alone will prevent me from giving him a second look. We must look to redistributive policies. If an M4A proposal has flaws, for instance, the discussion needs to be focused 100% on closing those specific gaps. Because the problem is poor distribution of wealth an…

Is there a specific reason you are against non-M4A type systems? As far as I'm aware Germany and France for example have universal health care but not single-payer.

The issue in the US seems to be some people with good jobs have health insurance they're satisfied with, and so don't want radical changes. So it's harder to form a political coalition to change health insurance for everybody, than it is to just fix the situation for people who don't have anything.

Re: Andrew Yang to launch a third party

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The fact that every single person in power got elected without ranked choice voting makes me think there is no chance of that ever getting passed. No politician wants to hurt their own job security.

> every single person in power got elected without ranked choice voting Jared Golden would beg to differ: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_United_States_House_of_Re...

Ah, who knew. TIL. Thanks

Re: Andrew Yang to launch a third party

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post #6

Yang has never been my top choice, but I think he's generally a good dude. However a third party could be disastrous for the democrats, who can only just barely win elections due to the current structure of the electorate. Hopefully he will be more strategic than that, however. A third party could be really beneficial in some areas where democrats dominate everything.

Couldn't the democrats form a coalition with him (similar to other countries)?
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