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Nobody said anything about intelligence. The person you originally replied to said skills . Just because I could spend a year learning something if I so choose, doesn't mean that I currently have those skills. They're called low skill jobs, not low intelligence jobs.
His point was he has the skills. I made the point about bootcamps, skills are easily obtained. Implying the janitor could not gain the skills is insane. Thinking a SE could begin a janitorial job tomorrow and do it as well as the janitor is laughable. SE skills are just a bit harder to come by, they aren't special. If your skills can be learned in a 6 week course you are not an astrophysicist nor a brain surgeon. SEs…
I do agree that learning how to code is not that hard given that you have certain skills already. But said skills are rare. This might explain why programmers think it is easy to learn programming but we don’t see an influx of skilled developers despite boot camps and online courses available for free.
Maybe changing something at an elementary school level would fix the problem. I have no idea how to do it but I know for sure that we need to teach people a certain way of thinking and this is a prerequisite to being a successful programmer. As soon as you have that way of thinking learning Python or Java is a piece of cake. And I absolutely sure that anyone can learn it, we are simply super bad at teaching the right skills to people.
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His point was he has the skills. I made the point about bootcamps, skills are easily obtained. Implying the janitor could not gain the skills is insane. Thinking a SE could begin a janitorial job tomorrow and do it as well as the janitor is laughable. SE skills are just a bit harder to come by, they aren't special. If your skills can be learned in a 6 week course you are not an astrophysicist nor a brain surgeon. SEs…
I used to believe that a good bootcamp can make a developer out of anyone. I changed my mind after trying to teach programming to a couple of people. In all failed cases people was not trained to thing algorithmically, that is being able to pick a piece apart and build a thing out of small parts, all in mind. Like looking at what a single iteration of a loop does and imagining what will be the end result. A person ei…
Some (read- rich) schools are teaching programming early, but I agree 100% if we had all public schools teach it early it would remove much of the mysticism.
Anyways sorry if I come across as heated on this issue, just some of the best people I've ever met made the least and had the most menial of jobs.
edit to add- my mother (a horrible, evil person), was head of Sandia Labs IT(weapons defense contractors for the govt), she had a masters in accounting and knew nothing about computers and servers. This woman- who was on call 24/7 and still had beepers in 2010 as they are more reliable than cellphones, couldn't use a desktop computer and had Win98 as her OS when the rest of the world was on Win 7. I don't understand this world.
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> 8 billion people waking up every day. And all they do is seeking social relevance, No they don’t. Most of this earth is seeking food and clean water and substance. You’re lucky enough to have that and seek your social relevance
> Most of this earth is seeking food and clean water and substance. You are underestimating the intelligence of people in 3rd world countries. They might be fighting violently to procure themselves those things, but in their mind there is always the thought of reaching a point when their social status is so high that they won't have to fight violently, but other people in the village would bring food and water to the…
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Interesting. A lot of the "so successful" have a TON of help. At the home front things are covered - stay at home wife, cleaners etc. You come home, home cooked meal, wife happy to hang out go on a walk do whatever, kids taken care of. You go to work, you have the parking spot, the assistant with a schedule. Strong managers. Again, these are the "so successful" folks. The 70 hours of work is mostly meetings, strategy…
> You come home, home cooked meal, wife happy to hang out go on a walk do whatever That also feels outdated. I don't know many people who are happy to sit at home, prepare meals for their absent spouse, and then smile and be happy to do whatever that spouse wants to do when they get home. That feels like an image from the 50s, not 2021.