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Re: Andrew Yang to launch a third party

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Wouldn’t this be a fourth party? Edit: ah, “third party” is an expression in American politics. Learning something new every day.

I'm curious, what is the 3rd party in your scenario?

I can see ways to count > 3 (before this announcement), and obviously there are the two competitive parties so that's a way to count, but it's not obvious to me how you got to exactly 3.

Re: Andrew Yang to launch a third party

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Didn't he get absolutely stomped in his last two runs?

He went from a virtual unknown normal dude to the last six standing the Democratic Presidental primaries, outlasting senators including Kamala Harris. And he made UBI a household idea, a major factor to lobbying for cash relief during the pandemic.

He did get stomped in the mayoral run. I followed it closely and it felt as though the media had it out for him.

Re: Andrew Yang to launch a third party

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Yang has never been my top choice, but I think he's generally a good dude. However a third party could be disastrous for the democrats, who can only just barely win elections due to the current structure of the electorate. Hopefully he will be more strategic than that, however. A third party could be really beneficial in some areas where democrats dominate everything.

Ranked voting would make this less of an issue, but good luck getting current politicians to support it.

Re: Andrew Yang to launch a third party

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3rd, that would be the Green Party, no? There is also Libertarian, Democratic Socialists, Socialist, and a handful of loca parties that only show up in ballots during election season. I wonder if this will be a true leftist party or simply another milquetoast Democrat-light party.

Any party that isn't the big two is considered 3rd party.

I know Andrew Yang is big on UBI, but I don't think he is super far left, as far as I know, his platform is give everyone UBI and let capitalism do it's thing.

Re: Andrew Yang to launch a third party

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

All the non-two-party parties are called third party. This keeps the two-parties front and center, where they think they belong.

The way US elections are run makes it very hard to have anything except two dominant parties. If Yang is successful (extremely unlikely) there will still be a two-party system, it will just be his party and whichever other one still remains (probably the Democrats since they have more institutional support at the moment).

> If Yang is successful (extremely unlikely) there will still be a two-party system, it will just be his party and whichever other one still remains

That would still be a massive improvement. Unfortunately, the more likely outcome with our current voting system is to split the vote of whichever party they're aligned more closely with, and cause the other party to win.

We desperately need either approval voting or Condorcet voting, so that people can express a meaningful preference for a third party.

Re: Andrew Yang to launch a third party

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3rd, that would be the Green Party, no? There is also Libertarian, Democratic Socialists, Socialist, and a handful of loca parties that only show up in ballots during election season. I wonder if this will be a true leftist party or simply another milquetoast Democrat-light party.

It’s Andrew Yang. It certainly won’t be a leftist party in any traditional sense of the phrase. I expect it to be pro-business, but also support “good government” ideas like streamlined welfare (e.g. all the bastardized forms of UBI that keep popping up.)

Re: Andrew Yang to launch a third party

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I registered as a Democrat to vote for Andrew in the CA primary. I find his view of the state of the USA is much more current and much less clouded by the twisted incentives that drive so many career politicians. He has positions on just about every topic and explains the rationale behind them.

It makes me wonder what the narrative against him would be. In the 2020 primaries and election, he wasn't taken seriously by either dems or reps, as if they felt that doing so would confer credibility. He was quashed in the debates in lieu of ratings, and sometimes did quite well.

I suppose the question ultimately will be whether his party pull more votes from Democrats or Republicans, rather than whether they'd win any major elections. As a younger entrant, he should be able to speak to younger voters and perhaps over time, grow a meaningful base. He did admirably in 2020 and I am confident he can build.

Re: Andrew Yang to launch a third party

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Seems like you'd have better luck trying to capture the GOP than start another party. There is a large population of Republican voters that is not really "conservative", but just anti-Democrat. Someone who captured this base while remaining appealing to some moderates/independents would do quite well.

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Re: Andrew Yang to launch a third party

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Yang has never been my top choice, but I think he's generally a good dude. However a third party could be disastrous for the democrats, who can only just barely win elections due to the current structure of the electorate. Hopefully he will be more strategic than that, however. A third party could be really beneficial in some areas where democrats dominate everything.

Pretty much what's happening in Canada. The NDP (left) currently polls at about 20% which would usually go to Liberals (center-left). Liberals and Conservatives (right) are now tied at 35% because of this.

Unfortunately the current Liberal PM promised "election reform" last election but didn't follow through. Now he might lose his minority gov.

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