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Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Are you guys irreplaceable?

absolutely. I was hired this year to learn how the hell all the complicated stuff the 55- and 65-year-old programmers do every day works, and I've only learned a fraction of it so far.

Seems they filled the position as recently as 7 months ago.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

#43
post #20

I reluctantly support this. I also think a bunch of companies that have many/most employees who can work from home were hoping that they could get through this without widespread mandates given that the reluctant mostly didn’t have to come into the office or customer sites.

go fuck yourself buddy

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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I think “prevent” is too imprecise a term here. The vaccines don’t eliminate the risk of spreading the virus to others. They do materially reduce the risk of spreading the virus to others.

How much pro-social good is required to force me to take a medical treatment I do not consent to?

A lot - that’s why I strongly oppose government vaccine mandates except in contexts where the magnitude of that pro-social good is far above the baseline - e.g., for healthcare workers.

Thankfully, the “or test” part distinguishes this from a vaccine mandate. We should have been testing most of the population since last March, and if anything we should have stronger testing requirements than this guidance dictates.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Sadly, there won't be nearly enough who feel as you do. But I wholeheartedly applaud your statement!

Created this throwaway to say that there are at least some others who agree but are too scared of the current cultural tone to speak openly about this. I feel thoroughly alienated from my peer-group and family over their fervor for this response and against any who disagree.

I'm right there with you. Had an old friend of over 25 years say to me that it was a "blunt cudgel to enforce a social instinct that is shockingly atrophied in people."

Hang in there, you are not alone and we are still in the very early days of this whole operation. Also, you might be able to find a local anti-mask or anti-mandate group on Facebook, I've found having that social support network is really helpful.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Why must I be vaccinated if the vaccine doesn't prevent spread? Preventing spread to other people is the only plausible reason to force everyone to take it. I am comfortable catching the disease and even comfortable dying from it (the numbers are vastly on my side). I do far riskier things on a regular basis (extreme sports) and I do not understand the infantilization of society. Join the feedlot if you want but I wi…

Most likely the vaccine does prevent/reduce spread. Given the amount of skepticism, it's better to just say the truth that the vaccine 'may or may not' prevent the spread rather than pick a side and be proven wrong. It also advantages that people don't think they can avoid COVID as long as everyone else gets the vaccine.

You have the option of getting tested weekly as long as your employer allows for that option. Getting a vaccine is probably less invasive and less of an annoyance then many things employers already require.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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I think “prevent” is too imprecise a term here. The vaccines don’t eliminate the risk of spreading the virus to others. They do materially reduce the risk of spreading the virus to others.

They increase the risk of asymptomatic transmission, because vaccines suppress the symptoms of infection, which would otherwise signal the infected person to quarantine. The CDC says this can be addressed by regular testing of the vaccinated, https://archive.is/PW9SP > The agency now advises that vaccinated people be tested for the virus if they come into contact with someone with Covid-19, even if they have no sympt…

Do you have a source for the claim that a vaccinated person is more likely than an unvaccinated person to transmit the virus asymptomatically?

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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They increase the risk of asymptomatic transmission, because vaccines suppress the symptoms of infection, which would otherwise signal the infected person to quarantine. The CDC says this can be addressed by regular testing of the vaccinated, https://archive.is/PW9SP > The agency now advises that vaccinated people be tested for the virus if they come into contact with someone with Covid-19, even if they have no sympt…

Do you have a source for the claim that a vaccinated person is more likely than an unvaccinated person to transmit the virus asymptomatically?

That wasn't the claim. The claim was that an unvaccinated person can self-isolate when they observe symptoms.

As the CDC said above, absence of symptoms is not a sufficient indicator for a vaccinated person. If a vaccinated person is tested regularly, they can self-isolate upon a positive test result, since they can't rely on symptoms as a signal.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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> OSHA will issue an Emergency Temporary > Standard (ETS) to implement this requirement Is this "temporary" in the same way that the PATRIOT act and our invasion of Afghanistan in 2001 were "temporary"? Well, I guess one should never let a good crisis go to waste...

My concern is why OSHA has not issued emergency mandatory ventilation and air circulation orders, since that's actually within their wheelhouse vs this extension into medical demands which until now had been limited strongly to vague recommendations and couched in informed consent language (e.g. Hepatitis awareness)
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