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Re: Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

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The Chinese Government is speeding up their efforts to swallow Hong Kong and Macau into the Mainland. Closing the media outlets, museums, websites that speak against them. And a few key people get abducted here and there to scare more people and force them to accept the Beijing Regime. But... The people from Hong Kong still demonstrates and tries to fight for their lost rights.

Very sad and parallels what seems to be happening in the US and other western democracies as well. There is a trend of certain dominant power in all of these countries that is quashing all opposing voices. I predict that some major global events are going to happen within the next few years. EDIT: Case in point - the quashing of opposing voices occurs on this board on this very comment. You cannot even bring up this…

The US republic was basically founded on pamphlets, newspapers, books..then incredibly long debates and respectful discussion.

Look at the structure of the Lincoln–Douglas debates. One candidate spoke for 60 minutes, followed by a 90-minute response and a final 30-minute rejoinder by the first candidate.

That doesn't work anymore. None of this works. Yes, all opposing voices will be silenced until there is 1 party basically everywhere. That is what people want and so that is what you will get in a democracy. There is no evidence to the contrary.

I am just glad I am old enough to have lived most my life already.

Re: Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

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Whose voice is getting quashed in the US? Everyone has a Facebook, Twitter, email, phones, a magazine, protests, their own news channels, subReddits. What group doesn't have all those things? Whose voice is being quashed - exactly? Even straight up Nazis have websites, newsletters, gatherings, organized protest marches and Facebook pages. The fucking Taliban is on Twitter. So...who is being quashed because of their b…

For one, it's well known in tech that you're putting your job/livelihood at risk by speaking contrary to the political groupthink. Many people who didn't vote for Clinton or Biden are effectively in career hiding. Threatening someone's job over their beliefs/opinions is very effective censorship.

When in history hasn't this been the case?

Re: Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

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I know it is a joke, but they do not deny the event. They just put it into a different context. It goes something like: 2000 lives for 20 years of stability. Well, actually 30 years now.

Interesting. Never heard this before. Can you provide sources to back this up?

Maybe not what you're asking for but here is a perfect example of the misinformation that is spread by the CCP

https://worldaffairs.blog/2019/06/02/tiananmen-square-massac...

Re: Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

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The Chinese Government is speeding up their efforts to swallow Hong Kong and Macau into the Mainland. Closing the media outlets, museums, websites that speak against them. And a few key people get abducted here and there to scare more people and force them to accept the Beijing Regime. But... The people from Hong Kong still demonstrates and tries to fight for their lost rights.

Very sad and parallels what seems to be happening in the US and other western democracies as well. There is a trend of certain dominant power in all of these countries that is quashing all opposing voices. I predict that some major global events are going to happen within the next few years. EDIT: Case in point - the quashing of opposing voices occurs on this board on this very comment. You cannot even bring up this…

Nowhere in the constitution are you protected from consequences when you say something stupid, and right-leaning folks have been saying this particular stupid thing a bit too often. Have the offices of Fox News or Breitbart or the Creation Science Museum been raided by police? No? Then this is not even close to parallel.

Re: Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

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I suspect if this happened, it’d trigger an invasion by the CCP just to save face.

This would absolutely never happen, but if we were serious about completely removing the possibility of a Chinese mainland invasion of Taiwan, we could just publicly give Taiwan some nukes. It would be a global political shitstorm, but even mainland China would not be stupid enough to invade after that. Nuclear proliferation may be bad for all sorts of reasons, but MAD really does appear to work. Also Taiwan already…

> we could just publicly give Taiwan some nukes

US would never do that, it would violate Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT).

Some non-nuclear NATO countries do host US nuclear weapons, but they are legally and physically under US control. In an actual nuclear war, the US would release these nuclear weapons to their allies – at which point the US would have indeed violated the treaty, but in a nuclear war who cares?

So in principle the US could station US-controlled nuclear weapons in Taiwan, and publicly announce they have done so. But it would be an extremely risky move – basically the Cuban Missile Crisis all over again, but this time with the US playing the role of the Soviet Union.

Given the extreme risk of such a move, I doubt the US is going to make it.

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Western countries irrevocably recognizing Taiwan would be a start.

Don't do this. People live in Taiwan. It's not fair to use them as pawns. Keep the status quo rather than provoke war and chaos.

> Don't do this. People live in Taiwan. It's not fair to use them as pawns. Keep the status quo rather than provoke war and chaos.

until what point?

inaction is generally one of the biggest causes of death and suffering in historical warfare.

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Whose voice is getting quashed in the US? Everyone has a Facebook, Twitter, email, phones, a magazine, protests, their own news channels, subReddits. What group doesn't have all those things? Whose voice is being quashed - exactly? Even straight up Nazis have websites, newsletters, gatherings, organized protest marches and Facebook pages. The fucking Taliban is on Twitter. So...who is being quashed because of their b…

I have a quick example: the former president.

Hmm... https://lmgtfy.app/?q=donald+trump

So, so quashed. You can barely find any information about him!

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Reading this, I find it funny how so many people have an image of their "enemies" in their minds and laugh at the idiocy they've mentally constructed for these enemies.

Every time Communism comes up on Reddit I see a thread like OP's satirizing I don't know if I've ever seen anyone spouting that philosophy on HackerNews though..

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Re: Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

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I visited this museum in 2016. It was incredible to see this on Chinese soil. Hong Kong had a mere 20 years of being truly Hong Kong, free of the UK and generally free of China. Now it is just more China.

Communist China has only had a mere 100 years compared to it's 5000 year history.

>it's 5000 year history

Please don't give credence to nonsensical nationalist tropes. The Oracle Bone Script goes back to about 1200 BC during the Shang Dynasty, that makes about 3200 years of history. Before that it's _pre-history_.

It's a bit younger than Linear B, Old Avestan and Vedic Sanskrit. So in terms of a traceable, continuous culture China is at the fourth place of so.

These days I'd probably be called a "historical nihilist" in China for saying that.

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