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Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

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Re: Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

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Post by analognoise »

president wrote: post #18
kunagi7 wrote: post #9

The Chinese Government is speeding up their efforts to swallow Hong Kong and Macau into the Mainland. Closing the media outlets, museums, websites that speak against them. And a few key people get abducted here and there to scare more people and force them to accept the Beijing Regime. But... The people from Hong Kong still demonstrates and tries to fight for their lost rights.

Very sad and parallels what seems to be happening in the US and other western democracies as well. There is a trend of certain dominant power in all of these countries that is quashing all opposing voices. I predict that some major global events are going to happen within the next few years. EDIT: Case in point - the quashing of opposing voices occurs on this board on this very comment. You cannot even bring up this…

Whose voice is getting quashed in the US? Everyone has a Facebook, Twitter, email, phones, a magazine, protests, their own news channels, subReddits.

What group doesn't have all those things? Whose voice is being quashed - exactly? Even straight up Nazis have websites, newsletters, gatherings, organized protest marches and Facebook pages. The fucking Taliban is on Twitter.

So...who is being quashed because of their beliefs, exactly?

Re: Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

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Post by [deleted] »

88840-8855 wrote: post #7
AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #3

Completely understandable. Why have a museum for an event that never happened? /s

I know it is a joke, but they do not deny the event. They just put it into a different context. It goes something like: 2000 lives for 20 years of stability. Well, actually 30 years now.

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Re: Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

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Post by pphysch »

tg180 wrote: post #66
pphysch wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Foreign-backed regime change operations are rather separatist in my humble opinion

The growing unrest amongst students, people and the political elite was caused by divisions within the party. Deng Xiaoping believed in the need of absolute authority. The death of general secretary Hu Yaobang (a reformist) fueled anxieties about the future of the country. Foreign-backed regime change??

There were many different facets to the political turmoil including those you mention, but the actual violence was encouraged by minority groups with suspicious ties to the US regime change apparatus. Student leader Chai Ling infamously quipped that "we are hoping for bloodshed" [1] yet abandoned the protests and was whisked out of China and landed in the USA with a full-ride to Princeton. She now runs what appears to be a business cult.

[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chai_Ling#Documentary_controve...

Re: Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

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Post by giantrobot »

pphysch wrote: post #42
sneak wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not the same kind of suppression, not by a long stretch. You're still legally entitled to stand on a street corner in the US and shout racial slurs, if that's your thing. You're also legally entitled to assemble and protest there. None of the undertakings that are equivalent to those actions are permitted in China, and will immediately subject you to violence.

Of course USA does not have hate speech laws. But there is considerable extralegal hate speech regulation. Your face will be plastered all over social media and you will get "cancelled" and lose your career, and no "free speech" laws will protect you from that.

> and no "free speech" laws will protect you from that

You have a right to speak freely without the government stopping you. You have no right to have people listen to you. In fact the same guarantee that you have for speech also enshrines free assembly.

So everyone who disagrees with your bullshit is free to ignore you and convince others to ignore you. They're also free to boot you off or out of their property.

Re: Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

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Post by icelandicmoss »

> The national security unit had earlier requested that the Hong Kong Alliance hand over information, reportedly including personal details of all members since the group's founding and financial records.

> On Tuesday, the deadline for the request, the alliance members handed over a letter explaining their refusal to co-operate.

That takes a magnificent and heartbreaking degree of courage.

Re: Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

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Post by slumpt_ »

88840-8855 wrote: post #7
AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #3

Completely understandable. Why have a museum for an event that never happened? /s

I know it is a joke, but they do not deny the event. They just put it into a different context. It goes something like: 2000 lives for 20 years of stability. Well, actually 30 years now.

[citation needed]

They actively suppress awareness of the event.

Re: Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

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Post by AussieWog93 »

elihu wrote: post #44
yuy910616 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really reminds me of the Taiwan election commercial that compares Taiwan and Hong Kong https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykcVIQMrc4A

Note: there's English subtitles available if you enable close captioning.

Even creepier listening to it with no subtitles and a primary school level understanding of Chinese.

All I heard was "husband", "daughter" and "whole family".

Re: Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

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Post by ohazi »

Kognito wrote: post #39
brnt wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Western countries irrevocably recognizing Taiwan would be a start.

I suspect if this happened, it’d trigger an invasion by the CCP just to save face.

This would absolutely never happen, but if we were serious about completely removing the possibility of a Chinese mainland invasion of Taiwan, we could just publicly give Taiwan some nukes.

It would be a global political shitstorm, but even mainland China would not be stupid enough to invade after that.

Nuclear proliferation may be bad for all sorts of reasons, but MAD really does appear to work.

Also Taiwan already has nuclear power plants, so it's not that crazy. They are capable of developing nuclear weapons on their own if they really wanted to.

Re: Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

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Post by temp8964 »

analognoise wrote: post #71
president wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very sad and parallels what seems to be happening in the US and other western democracies as well. There is a trend of certain dominant power in all of these countries that is quashing all opposing voices. I predict that some major global events are going to happen within the next few years. EDIT: Case in point - the quashing of opposing voices occurs on this board on this very comment. You cannot even bring up this…

Whose voice is getting quashed in the US? Everyone has a Facebook, Twitter, email, phones, a magazine, protests, their own news channels, subReddits. What group doesn't have all those things? Whose voice is being quashed - exactly? Even straight up Nazis have websites, newsletters, gatherings, organized protest marches and Facebook pages. The fucking Taliban is on Twitter. So...who is being quashed because of their b…

I have a quick example: the former president.

Re: Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

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Post by chasd00 »

analognoise wrote: post #71
president wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very sad and parallels what seems to be happening in the US and other western democracies as well. There is a trend of certain dominant power in all of these countries that is quashing all opposing voices. I predict that some major global events are going to happen within the next few years. EDIT: Case in point - the quashing of opposing voices occurs on this board on this very comment. You cannot even bring up this…

Whose voice is getting quashed in the US? Everyone has a Facebook, Twitter, email, phones, a magazine, protests, their own news channels, subReddits. What group doesn't have all those things? Whose voice is being quashed - exactly? Even straight up Nazis have websites, newsletters, gatherings, organized protest marches and Facebook pages. The fucking Taliban is on Twitter. So...who is being quashed because of their b…

For one, it's well known in tech that you're putting your job/livelihood at risk by speaking contrary to the political groupthink. Many people who didn't vote for Clinton or Biden are effectively in career hiding. Threatening someone's job over their beliefs/opinions is very effective censorship.
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