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Paid influencers must label some posts as ads, German court rules

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Re: Paid influencers must label some posts as ads, German court rules

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post #136

Whether or not these influencers should have to label ads is one thing. But... I'll note how "little guy" regulation works relative to major players. You don't see court, legislature decisions, or such upending the business model of a FB, Google or whatnot. Every word will be negotiated, Google and/or FB will have control over implementation. Often, the regulation will be a net positive, given that it can slow small…

Makes sense, especially when it is so difficult to tell apart Google search results from Ads.

Re: Paid influencers must label some posts as ads, German court rules

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post #136

Whether or not these influencers should have to label ads is one thing. But... I'll note how "little guy" regulation works relative to major players. You don't see court, legislature decisions, or such upending the business model of a FB, Google or whatnot. Every word will be negotiated, Google and/or FB will have control over implementation. Often, the regulation will be a net positive, given that it can slow small…

Sounds like influencers need to form a union?

Re: Paid influencers must label some posts as ads, German court rules

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post #136

Whether or not these influencers should have to label ads is one thing. But... I'll note how "little guy" regulation works relative to major players. You don't see court, legislature decisions, or such upending the business model of a FB, Google or whatnot. Every word will be negotiated, Google and/or FB will have control over implementation. Often, the regulation will be a net positive, given that it can slow small…

This is frankly not true in a lot of European countries. Google, Facebook and every other company cannot advertise things like toys, tobacco or alcohol to children here in Denmark, and they have to clearly tell you which parts are advertising and which aren’t. This is why Facebook has an “suggested” and an “advertising tag, that you can even click on to be told what metrics decided that you should see it. As well as options to ignore advertisers or setup personal preferences.

I’m not going to defend Google or Facebook, but they didn’t add those things because they wanted to. They added them because their platforms would be banned from Europe if they didn’t.

Influencers are actually some of the only advertisers who aren’t well regulated in Europe, and it’s honestly a real issue when they have more reach than national television stations.

In Denmark alone we’ve had issues with influencers advertising plastic surgery or sugar dating to teenagers and below. Things that are extremely illegal through any other medium, but because “influencers” fall outside of traditional law, it’s been very hard to stop them with the legalisation that we have. In fact they have only been stopped by being publicly shamed in other media, causing them so much bad press that nobody wanted to pay them to advertise things.

So it’s actually quite the opposite, but I’ll be the first to agree that the platforms should also be held into account for the things they allow influencers to post. Not a very popular opinion on HN, but as far as I’m concerned Europe would lose nothing by kicking non-EU software companies where it hurts.

Re: Paid influencers must label some posts as ads, German court rules

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post #136

Whether or not these influencers should have to label ads is one thing. But... I'll note how "little guy" regulation works relative to major players. You don't see court, legislature decisions, or such upending the business model of a FB, Google or whatnot. Every word will be negotiated, Google and/or FB will have control over implementation. Often, the regulation will be a net positive, given that it can slow small…

Who cares if they're the little guy. The influencers are lying to their followers to fool them into wasting their money, so they can profit. Little guys also includes shoplifters and con-men. They're still bad for others.

Well, I think the point here is that you don't become good or evil, or do harm or not do harm, by virtue of being big or small. Yet that seems to be the primary axis on whether legislation pampers its target or not.

Re: Paid influencers must label some posts as ads, German court rules

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Why does YouTube or Instagram tolerate sponsored content? They don't get a cut from a sponsored video or product placement, and their dominance in the advertising space means this is also cutting into their ad revenue.

Sponsored content isn't locked in to YouTube The second they ban it all the creators that can afford to will jump ship. YouTube knows the creators that can afford to jump ship are also the ones keeping their lights on I have no idea the legal situation but I'd also imagine there'd be a safe harbour challenge in there somewhere too

>The second they ban it all the creators that can afford to will jump ship.

Jump to where though? No other video platform is even close to the number of visitors.

We really need a credible YT alternative :(

Re: Paid influencers must label some posts as ads, German court rules

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Many wouldn’t be bothered by this - promoting that businesses are paying you to post just tells other businesses that they can do the same. Small time content people on Instagram would likely be excited to show that they are finally in the game.

I have traded content for product ($100-30k travel experiences usually). One thing that makes this ad scenario awkward is that the business would ordinarily pay an agency to create the content. An influencer has replaced that. They are doing work and then showing it off, and often it’s being used by the business going forward.

Re: Paid influencers must label some posts as ads, German court rules

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Yet the TV industry is still far from done with shady advertising. Very Related: YouTubers have to declare ads. Why doesn't anyone else? [0]

On another note, that is like the shortest news article ever! It's literally just 102 words!

[0] https://youtu.be/L-x8DYTOv7w

Re: Paid influencers must label some posts as ads, German court rules

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sponsored content is the main income for creators, so if a platform banned it there would be a mass exodus and they'd lose their dominance.

But they would earn more money from regular ad revenue, presumably. You're painting a rather bleak picture -- that the majority of creators/influencers' content is advertising. If that's the case, I'm not sure why Youtube/Instagram should also tolerate that -- it's basically spam on their platform they haven't curated through their ad network.

A lot of content contains or is funded by a product placement but is otherwise not advertising.

For example, a guy is teaching me to fix a generic, unbranded toilet issue but stops to mention a particular widget or toolbelt he is being paid to use.

Next video he is teaching me to fix a sump pump and there again he mentions his sponsored plumbing gear.

This is fine by me. I learn how to fix things and some plumbing widget company pays the bill.

Re: Paid influencers must label some posts as ads, German court rules

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Youtube et al tolerate it because these influencers posts ultimately mean more eyes are fixed on the platform to watch the actual first party advertisements. Having these influencers rely on third party sponsored posts for their funding means that youtube doesn't have to pay them very much at all.

And they can eventually change terms to charge a percentage, maybe only on the biggest channels for ease of enforcement, like record labels eventually started doing with concert tickets and merch.

How would they even do that? Music artists are free to make their own endorsements without having to pay their label.
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