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Re: Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

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Post by pphysch » Thu, Sep 09, 2021, 9:13 PM UTC

X6S1x6Okd1st wrote: post #16

jmclnx wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One was a traitor trying to keep his slaves, the other was fighting for Rights in China.

While that is true that fails to mention IMO a key difference. The civil war is not censored in the US, Tienanmen square is. Removing a statue is very different than shutting down all discussion around an event and locking up those that want to talk about it.

Expressions of white supremacism (N word, etc) & separatism (Jan 6, etc) are heavily suppressed in USA.

Re: Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

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Post by joshuaissac » Thu, Sep 09, 2021, 9:13 PM UTC

jmclnx wrote: post #6

pphysch wrote: post #4

Interesting to see the parallel crackdowns on the glorification of separatism in both USA and PRC this week, with the removal of the Robert E. Lee statue in the former Confederate capital, and now this.

One was a traitor trying to keep his slaves, the other was fighting for Rights in China.

Tiananmen Square protests were not separatist, either.

Re: Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

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Post by karaterobot » Thu, Sep 09, 2021, 9:13 PM UTC

jmclnx wrote: post #5

I really wish the US and Europe would get *lls and punish China for breaking the treaty with Hong Kong and the UK

Tariffs? We tried a trade war, and it had some economic effect, but no lasting political effect. We probably don't want to get involved in another land war in Asia, if we can avoid it. We could try asking them nicely, but beyond that I feel like it's up to the people of China to decide their own fate.

Re: Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

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Post by vmception » Thu, Sep 09, 2021, 9:14 PM UTC

kunagi7 wrote: post #9

The Chinese Government is speeding up their efforts to swallow Hong Kong and Macau into the Mainland. Closing the media outlets, museums, websites that speak against them. And a few key people get abducted here and there to scare more people and force them to accept the Beijing Regime. But... The people from Hong Kong still demonstrates and tries to fight for their lost rights.

What’s going on in Macau? I thought there is no contention there. They can if they want, they can do the perpetual lease if they want.

Re: Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

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Post by errantmind » Thu, Sep 09, 2021, 9:14 PM UTC

masterof0 wrote: post #13

jmclnx wrote: post #5

I really wish the US and Europe would get *lls and punish China for breaking the treaty with Hong Kong and the UK

How? Another war? I'm having a hard time believing the economic elite in the US will be in favor of loosing business in China.

Economic sanctions. Tariffs and the like. War with a nuclear power is not a viable option

Re: Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

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Post by pphysch » Thu, Sep 09, 2021, 9:15 PM UTC

joshuaissac wrote: post #22

jmclnx wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One was a traitor trying to keep his slaves, the other was fighting for Rights in China.

Tiananmen Square protests were not separatist, either.

Foreign-backed regime change operations are rather separatist in my humble opinion

Re: Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

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Post by president » Thu, Sep 09, 2021, 9:15 PM UTC

masterof0 wrote: post #13

jmclnx wrote: post #5

I really wish the US and Europe would get *lls and punish China for breaking the treaty with Hong Kong and the UK

How? Another war? I'm having a hard time believing the economic elite in the US will be in favor of loosing business in China.

It's a good question. Assuming war is the only option on the table:

1. Would Americans be in favor of (relatively) short term destruction in favor of long term prosperity for their children and future generations?

2. Would the US be able to win a conventional war against China?

I believe the answer to #1 is no. I don't think anybody knows the answer to #2.

Re: Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

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Post by sneak » Thu, Sep 09, 2021, 9:16 PM UTC

jmclnx wrote: post #5

I really wish the US and Europe would get *lls and punish China for breaking the treaty with Hong Kong and the UK

I really wish that people would stop ascribing masculine traits, violent warmongering, and inherent virtue into the same bucket.

Re: Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

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Post by sneak » Thu, Sep 09, 2021, 9:17 PM UTC

SimeVidas wrote: post #19

How much longer does China plan to keep this event taboo?

My guess would be until everyone who cares about it dies.

He who controls the present, controls the past.

Re: Hong Kong: Police Raid Tiananmen Square Museum

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Post by brnt » Thu, Sep 09, 2021, 9:18 PM UTC

masterof0 wrote: post #13

jmclnx wrote: post #5

I really wish the US and Europe would get *lls and punish China for breaking the treaty with Hong Kong and the UK

How? Another war? I'm having a hard time believing the economic elite in the US will be in favor of loosing business in China.

Western countries irrevocably recognizing Taiwan would be a start.