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A VGA monitor may be easier to repair than you think

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Re: A VGA monitor may be easier to repair than you think

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Huh. I have a Dell monitor that suddenly started showing these kind of smeared stripes instead of a proper picture. Took it apart, looked carefully at all the capacitors and other components on both boards, but none looked bad. Disconnecting and reconnecting the ribbon that goes to the LCD panel made no difference whatsoever. What could it possibly be?

does a bad capacitor always show damage visibly?

no. but often does.

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I am old. I did not even open the link until you mentioned it was an LCD. I was thinking: "Why would you repair a CRT?"

Comes up fairly often as a nostalgia thing for old Macs, Kaypros, Compaqs, arcade games, and so on.

Also, some home computer games from the 80s can be really hard to play with any extra latency so a CRT helps.

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I feel old; I came here for a guide to repair a "VGA monitor" and instead got a flat panel.

LCD monitors only used VGA because customers didn't know enough to demand DVI. A pixel array is inherently digital, so it makes no sense to put DAC/ADC in the path.

Re: A VGA monitor may be easier to repair than you think

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Aye I remember bringing back a lot of dead monitors, TV's and even a cheap Pentium 4 motherboard by swapping caps. A place I worked at had a bunch of 19" Optiquest LCD monitors which ALL eventually died from a single bad cap on the power supply board. I fixed every one of those monitors, think it cost less than $10 to order the caps from digikey.

How do you figure out which ones are bad?

https://www.ifixit.com/Wiki/Troubleshhoting_logic_board_comp...

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I've repaired several TVs and monitors, LED lamps, etc. just by replacing bad capacitors, and in a few cases some diodes too, so it's worth trying especially on electronics that would otherwise be thrown away. If you see a TV/monitor going off randomly or a LED lamp starts flashing, pretty sure there are one or more defective capacitors in there. Defective capacitors are a common plague in modern electronics, and the…

Planned obsolescence using wrongly placed capacitors is one of the few conspiracy theories I tend to believe in (I guess it is conspiracy). I also successfully repaired an old telefone system, a washing machine and an old TV 15 years ago because the same capacitors failed so frequently that even without any knowledge one would be able to Google what needed to be exchanged together with order links. However, I think manufacturers really found better strategies for planned obsolescence eg. by introducing new communication standards or turning off server and not providing software updates. So during the last 10 years I mostly threw away fully functional hardware...

Re: A VGA monitor may be easier to repair than you think

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I've got several broken electronics that I'd love to try to repair someday, but they don't have any screws and they are obscure enough to not have any tear-down guides to tell me if a heat gun would help. Cutting them open could just leave them unappealing to use, and thus I wasted my time.

I like working on things that are broken: you break it such that you can't get it back together again, who cares, it was broken anyway. What I worry about are things that work but need maintenance - mess up the oil change an a good car and you destroy the car...

In short, get in there are see what happens. Sometimes you will destroy something, but right now it is landfill material so you didn't lose anything. sometimes it is an easy fix.

Re: A VGA monitor may be easier to repair than you think

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I feel old; I came here for a guide to repair a "VGA monitor" and instead got a flat panel.

LCD monitors only used VGA because customers didn't know enough to demand DVI. A pixel array is inherently digital, so it makes no sense to put DAC/ADC in the path.

> customers didn't know enough to demand DVI

Really, it was more that we didn't have DVI outputs.

Its the smartest way to break the chicken-egg situation -- for many (I'd wager the majority) the advantage of a flat panel at first was more about space saving then picture quality.

Re: A VGA monitor may be easier to repair than you think

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aye I remember bringing back a lot of dead monitors, TV's and even a cheap Pentium 4 motherboard by swapping caps. A place I worked at had a bunch of 19" Optiquest LCD monitors which ALL eventually died from a single bad cap on the power supply board. I fixed every one of those monitors, think it cost less than $10 to order the caps from digikey.

How do you figure out which ones are bad?

Some can be easily spotted by visual inspection for being bulged just like the one in the linked article photo, others will need to be measured.

Leakage (ie, when a capacitor exhibits resistive properties by conducting current also when fully charged) can be measured easily by using an analog tester or a digital one plus a few parts, while the ESR (equivalent series resistance) measurement would need a proper instrument called ESR meter. The ESR is an unwanted static series resistance the capacitor would exhibit no matter the frequency it works at, it increases with aging and it's independent from the capacitive reactance which it's related to the frequency. Therefore, the lower the ESR, the better quality or condition is the capacitor.

However, you can just ignore the 2nd sentence if repairing a device would require just a bunch of capacitors; quality ones aren't that pricey, and if you find a bulged one, it is often advised to replace all capacitors employed in the same stage anyway. Some in fact can degrade without showing any visible hints of their condition.

Re: A VGA monitor may be easier to repair than you think

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Tangentially related: many VGA monitors can be given a new life by driving their panel using cheap ready made controllers. Search for "hdmi controller board" on Ebay, Aliexpress etc. Some are programmed in advance and the seller must be given the exact name of the panel they will work with before purchasing, while others are sold ready to be programmed. Some can also drive large TV screens.

Here are some links that might turn out useful.

http://www.elecrealm.com/down/class/

http://www.mattmillman.com/info/lcd/rovatools/

https://github.com/ghent360/RTD-2660-Programmer/

https://sites.google.com/site/lcd4hobby/home

http://openrtd2662.ru/

https://www.codeforge.com/article/258602

https://www.panelook.com/index.php

http://lcdtech.info/en/

Re: A VGA monitor may be easier to repair than you think

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I've repaired several TVs and monitors, LED lamps, etc. just by replacing bad capacitors, and in a few cases some diodes too, so it's worth trying especially on electronics that would otherwise be thrown away. If you see a TV/monitor going off randomly or a LED lamp starts flashing, pretty sure there are one or more defective capacitors in there. Defective capacitors are a common plague in modern electronics, and the…

Low ESR only matters for PWM filtering capacitors, such as those found in monitor backlight drivers and some switching power supplies’ secondary circuits. It is not necessary to use such capacitors on the primary side, i.e. when the large capacitor nearest to the mains input dies, just replace it with a normal electrolytic capacitor that matches or exceeds the original’s voltage rating and closely matches its capacit…

Worse yet, sometimes the circuit won't work with a low-ESR capacitor. For example, you can't put a low-ESR capacitor on the output of an LM1117, it will oscillate.
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