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Re: Sayings of Spartan women

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I don't understand the point of changing words like "many" to "mony" or "man" to "mon". I mean if you're anyway writing the entire thing in modern day English then why do this. Is it just for the effect of it I.e., making it look sophisticated? or is it some kind of attempt at retaining the originality/authenticity?

Some people take the Sapir-Whorf theory too seriously: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linguistic_relativity

Re: Sayings of Spartan women

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post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aside from Sports (where competition is the whole point outside of the Ivy League), Sparta is always portrayed as cruel and inhumane, deservedly so. On the other hand, they were, apparently, good at waging war one way or another. I've not seen it associated with philosophy and civilization as Athens was, among others.

> “…Sports (where competition is the whole point outside of the Ivy League)…” the point of sports in the ivy league is also competition, whether they’re able to be as competitive as other leagues or not.

You could be right and I might be wrong. I get the feeling for them it’s more focused on sportsmanship and fellowship than adversarial competition.

If the focus were on winning then they’d recruit like the other schools for their sports teams (pac10, bigEast, etc. I know some have expanded and names have changed)

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#93
post #82

Myke Cole has written a new book on Spartan society and military, The Bronze Lie: https://www.amazon.com/Bronze-Lie-Shattering-Spartan-Suprema... His previous work on the Roman legion vs the Greek phalanx was very interesting and well-researched. https://www.amazon.com/Legion-versus-Phalanx-Struggle-Suprem...

His fiction books are great as well.

Re: Sayings of Spartan women

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Whereas Athenian and other Grecian culture was admired and spread across the Roman empire after it was militarily conquered, Sparta's fate was humiliating. They were turned into a kind of human zoo. The old training rituals continued, but mainly as a tourist attraction for wealthy Roman aristocrats to ogle at.

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The Spartan culture perished.

How many cultures from that era still remain? I'm thinking Jewish culture (though it's not monolithic), that's about the only one I can think of whose customs, traditions, etc. still remain today.

Hindu/Vedic culture is still kicking.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Great series! I came out with the feeling that the Spartans were like the genteel Antebellum plantation owners of Greece: seemingly noble and stoic, but in reality terribly cruel, corrupted, and decadent.

I had been thinking about fantasy stories and what the maximumly evil evil empire you could write in a story and still have it somewhat believable. After reading that, I think Sparta is probably it, if not a little beyond it.

SM Stirling's Draka, an attempt at a maximally evil empire, borrowed quite a lot from the Spartans, presumably for this reason. Though they were a lot more competent, which was always one of Sparta's major failings.

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post #90

I don't understand the point of changing words like "many" to "mony" or "man" to "mon". I mean if you're anyway writing the entire thing in modern day English then why do this. Is it just for the effect of it I.e., making it look sophisticated? or is it some kind of attempt at retaining the originality/authenticity?

I figured those were OCR errors or something. How would this help maintain originality?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Great series! I came out with the feeling that the Spartans were like the genteel Antebellum plantation owners of Greece: seemingly noble and stoic, but in reality terribly cruel, corrupted, and decadent.

I had been thinking about fantasy stories and what the maximumly evil evil empire you could write in a story and still have it somewhat believable. After reading that, I think Sparta is probably it, if not a little beyond it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Domination SF novels inspired in part by Sparta.

Re: Sayings of Spartan women

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post #7

On the topic of Spartan societey in general, a really good read is https://acoup.blog/category/collections/this-isnt-sparta/ by Dr. Bret Deveraux. Long read but well worth it for interested people.

That is a very biased article that is playing up all the aspects of Spartan society that modern audiences would find repulsive for internet likes. At the end of the day it is not unlike the film it criticises (300) except it's going all the way to the other end and painting a portrait of a grim, evil empire. It is good to keep in mind that pretty much all ancient societies had norms and customs that we find repulsive…

We do criticize contemporary societies too. We talk about aspects like unfair justice system, inequality, corruption, sexism and such.

We do talk about contemporary totalitarian societies and near part totalitarian societies.

The expectation that we will heroise past society, to feel good, to make them sound awesome, is on itself a bias.

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