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California aims to ban recycling symbols on things that aren’t recyclable

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Re: California aims to ban recycling symbols on things that aren’t recyclable

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Are those dumpsters recyclable? I am picturing a big robot throwing those dumpsters into a giant shredder or something. I'll let myself out.

They appear to be made of sheet steel, so almost certainly yes and that's how they would be recycled. Probably wouldn't involve a robot though...

Re: California aims to ban recycling symbols on things that aren’t recyclable

#12

I doubt you can create legislation to ban a symbol from a product if you don’t hold the trademark rights. However they can create a new symbol and legislate what products are eligible for that symbol. Edit: I stand corrected. There are other paths for this legislation

I think this is a bad law for other reasons, but do believe that CA has (read: should have) standing to say “packages bearing these marks, which the Legislature believes mislead CA consumers, cannot be sold at retail in CA”.

Re: California aims to ban recycling symbols on things that aren’t recyclable

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Some JS stops me reading the article after the first paragraph or so. But it seems to about using that specific "three arrows" symbol. One annoying thing I've noticed in the UK is some products having a symbol that looks a lot like the recycling symbol but upon closer inspection is not the same symbol. It turns it can be processed in a specific plant of which only one exists in the entire country. I doubt many get se…

Also here in the UK - I noticed that annoyingly more and more items openly advertise, on the front of the packaging " NOW RECYCLABLE!" with an asterix next to it, and upon reading the small print it says it's recyclable, but only if brought into this special collection point, which they only have in like 5 sainsburys across the country. So if you just throw it in your recycling bin it goes to the landfill.

I don't understand how that's even allowed.

Re: California aims to ban recycling symbols on things that aren’t recyclable

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post #6

This is a case where the proposal is actually worse than the headline, I think. From a non-paywall source: https://calmatters.org/politics/2021/08/california-recycling... > Despite the best intentions of Californians who diligently try to recycle yogurt cups, berry containers and other packaging, it turns out that at least 85% of single-use plastics in the state do not actually get recycled. Instead, they wind up in…

If you've only read the headline, here's a mirror: https://archive.is/ma1Ob

The California legislature has appeared to take the non-recycling of most plastics into account:

  A majority of the state’s assembly members voted
  to ban companies from using the arrows symbol
  unless they can prove the material is in fact
  recycled in most California communities,
  and is used to make new products.

Re: California aims to ban recycling symbols on things that aren’t recyclable

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post #6

This is a case where the proposal is actually worse than the headline, I think. From a non-paywall source: https://calmatters.org/politics/2021/08/california-recycling... > Despite the best intentions of Californians who diligently try to recycle yogurt cups, berry containers and other packaging, it turns out that at least 85% of single-use plastics in the state do not actually get recycled. Instead, they wind up in…

It will decrease the number of plastic goods people buy under ecological pretexts.

For instance, when I learned about plastic bottle recycling, I switched to canned water.

Re: California aims to ban recycling symbols on things that aren’t recyclable

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Some JS stops me reading the article after the first paragraph or so. But it seems to about using that specific "three arrows" symbol. One annoying thing I've noticed in the UK is some products having a symbol that looks a lot like the recycling symbol but upon closer inspection is not the same symbol. It turns it can be processed in a specific plant of which only one exists in the entire country. I doubt many get se…

Germany. My mum never accepted this, she did wash the plastic waste partially in the dishwasher - because it would be "reused". She always pointed at those recycling videos, were people sorted through the trash by hand.

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post #15
post #6

This is a case where the proposal is actually worse than the headline, I think. From a non-paywall source: https://calmatters.org/politics/2021/08/california-recycling... > Despite the best intentions of Californians who diligently try to recycle yogurt cups, berry containers and other packaging, it turns out that at least 85% of single-use plastics in the state do not actually get recycled. Instead, they wind up in…

It will decrease the number of plastic goods people buy under ecological pretexts. For instance, when I learned about plastic bottle recycling, I switched to canned water.

It will also lead to the landfilling of recyclable resins in communities where their waste management is capable to recycle them, which in turn will result in fewer communities adopting/adapting waste management practices to process these items properly because consumers won’t put them into that stream.

Re: California aims to ban recycling symbols on things that aren’t recyclable

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I doubt you can create legislation to ban a symbol from a product if you don’t hold the trademark rights. However they can create a new symbol and legislate what products are eligible for that symbol. Edit: I stand corrected. There are other paths for this legislation

> I doubt you can create legislation to ban a symbol from a product if you don’t hold the trademark rights.

Uhhh... where do you think trademark rights come from, if not legislation?

Re: California aims to ban recycling symbols on things that aren’t recyclable

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post #2

I hope they’re not confusing the resin symbols with the recycling symbol.

Clearly the resin identification code and the recycling symbol are causing consumer confusion due to the fact that almost everyone confuses them.

The US Society of the Plastics Industry designed their resin identification code in 1988 and made it similar to the recycling symbol which had been in use since 1970, even though many of the plastics thus labeled were not generally recyclable.

According to wikipedia[1] they eventually changed the RIC "chasing arrows" to a solid triangle in 2013 to address consumer confusion, but I still see a lot of plastics sporting the chasing arrow symbol.

I hope efforts like California's succeed so that the recycling symbol can be reserved for products that can be recycled in practice. (i.e. there are more than a token number of municipal facilities that process that type of plastic into a reusable form)

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resin_identification_code

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