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The US Government tried to kill weed smokers with a toxic chemical in the 1980s

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Re: The US Government tried to kill weed smokers with a toxic chemical in the 1980s

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Post by dngray »

throwawaylinux wrote: post #8
postpawl wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The vaccine is working. Not everything the government and pharmaceutical companies do is bad.

Sure, that's what they said back then too. At any rate, the pathetic bootlicking and prostration to authoritarianism, and mob bullying of anybody who would dare to ask any questions of such pure and innocent institutions is pretty sickening.

The difference is we actually know what is in the vaccines and how they are produced. They're also not produced by one single company, we've got pfizer, moderna and a number of others working independently over international borders.

Not only that there's not exactly much sense in having many people die of a preventable disease. That costs government both in reduced productivity and healthcare.

It also encourages harsher health regulations to prevent spreading which in turn costs more money to corps who have to implement them.

Re: The US Government tried to kill weed smokers with a toxic chemical in the 1980s

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Post by flyingcircus3 »

postpawl wrote: post #5
throwawaylinux wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This time all the experts from the government and pharmaceutical corporations have only our best interests at heart though.

The vaccine is working. Not everything the government and pharmaceutical companies do is bad.

This is the problem with purveyors of fear, uncertainty, and doubt. They don't need logical consistency. They don't need to explain themselves, they don't even need a central point to their arguments. They aren't trying to prove anything, only to plant the seeds of fear, uncertainty, and doubt.

Re: The US Government tried to kill weed smokers with a toxic chemical in the 1980s

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Post by quantified »

bawolff wrote: post #6
refurb wrote: post #4

How is this any different than denatured alcohol today? You can buy 100% ethanol very cheap if it's been poisoned so you can't drink it. If you choose to drink it despite a big skull and cross bones on it, was the US gov't trying to kill you?

I guess the difference would be the skull and bones label.

Which would have been the orange peel extract if they had used it.

Thank you Ed Meese for being so righteous. I didn’t notice his name in the piece.

Re: The US Government tried to kill weed smokers with a toxic chemical in the 1980s

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Post by kook_throwaway »

postpawl wrote: post #5
throwawaylinux wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This time all the experts from the government and pharmaceutical corporations have only our best interests at heart though.

The vaccine is working. Not everything the government and pharmaceutical companies do is bad.

Maybe it is working, but being coerced to take a novel gene therapy from organizations with a long history of abuse is a horrific precedent that should offend everyone.

Re: The US Government tried to kill weed smokers with a toxic chemical in the 1980s

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Post by actually_a_dog »

kook_throwaway wrote: post #14
postpawl wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The vaccine is working. Not everything the government and pharmaceutical companies do is bad.

Maybe it is working, but being coerced to take a novel gene therapy from organizations with a long history of abuse is a horrific precedent that should offend everyone.

I assume you are referring to mRNA vaccines here. These are not in any way "gene therapy." Please quit spouting misinformation.

For reference:

> Gene therapy is a medical field which focuses on the genetic modification of cells to produce a therapeutic effect[1] or the treatment of disease by repairing or reconstructing defective genetic material.[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_therapy

mRNA vaccines do not modify cells, repair, or reconstruct anything.

Re: The US Government tried to kill weed smokers with a toxic chemical in the 1980s

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Post by actually_a_dog »

jazzyjackson wrote: post #7
hamburgerwah wrote: post #2

I don't see why this should come as a surprise. The government poisoned liquor during prohibition, injected plutonium into unwitting pregnant women, gave innocent people syphilis while giving them fake treatments to see how it killed them (and just for the heck of it because the victims were black), and on and on.

Don’t forget that the CIA had to pinky swear not to use vaccine campaigns as cover for spy operations (anymore). https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2014/05/20/314231260... https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-27489045

Yep, and, thanks to that little fiasco, we lost significant ground in trying to eradicate polio worldwide.

Re: The US Government tried to kill weed smokers with a toxic chemical in the 1980s

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Post by the_only_law »

Huh, thanks to my completely destroyed sleep schedule, i get to continuously watch infomercials about class-action lawsuits related to paraquat. No idea it was used in this context though.

When I googled the chemical it was just the typical whining about how its the only thing that works and is completely safe.

Re: The US Government tried to kill weed smokers with a toxic chemical in the 1980s

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Post by kook_throwaway »

actually_a_dog wrote: post #15
kook_throwaway wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe it is working, but being coerced to take a novel gene therapy from organizations with a long history of abuse is a horrific precedent that should offend everyone.

I assume you are referring to mRNA vaccines here. These are not in any way "gene therapy." Please quit spouting misinformation. For reference: > Gene therapy is a medical field which focuses on the genetic modification of cells to produce a therapeutic effect[1] or the treatment of disease by repairing or reconstructing defective genetic material.[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_therapy mRNA vaccines do not mod…

Moderna and the FDA think it's a gene therapy. "Currently, mRNA is considered a gene therapy product by the FDA." [1]

>Please quit spouting misinformation.

I like how you start with the word "please" so you can pretend you're being polite.

[1] https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1682852/000168285220...

Re: The US Government tried to kill weed smokers with a toxic chemical in the 1980s

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Post by elefanten »

Complete tripe. The article doesn't even work up the guts to make the claim that's made in the headline. And even in what it actually says, it goes too far by claiming the government was trying to "purposely" harm the lungs of pot smokers. The only argument supported by the evidence is that the government was trying to kill weed crops as an early drug war tactic, which backfired because it wasn't killing enough of the crops but rather contaminating them with toxins.

The rabid desire to spin "uS GoVeRnMenT iS EvIl@!" narratives everywhere there's a shadow on the wall is just so old hat.

Re: The US Government tried to kill weed smokers with a toxic chemical in the 1980s

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Post by Lammy »

elefanten wrote: post #19

Complete tripe. The article doesn't even work up the guts to make the claim that's made in the headline. And even in what it actually says, it goes too far by claiming the government was trying to "purposely" harm the lungs of pot smokers. The only argument supported by the evidence is that the government was trying to kill weed crops as an early drug war tactic, which backfired because it wasn't killing enough of th…

http://www.csdp.org/research/shafernixon.pdf
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