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Re: Amazon Elasticsearch Service Is Now Amazon OpenSearch Service

#21

This is consequence of open source.

This is the consequence of closed source. If Elasticsearch were still open source, then Amazon wouldn't have had any reason to do this. Elastic is getting exactly what they deserve.

If they would have been closed source from the get-go, Amazon would have had a far harder time cloning their product or even creating a service based on it to begin with. So yes, this is a consequence of them starting out open source.

Re: Amazon Elasticsearch Service Is Now Amazon OpenSearch Service

#22
post #10

Remember that in this story, as strange as this is to say, Amazon is the good guy. Elastic changed their products from a FOSS license to a proprietary one, and Amazon did exactly what you're supposed to do in that case: fork and continue development of the last FOSS version.

They changed the license after Amazon took all their revenue.

> We have experienced significant growth, with revenue increasing to $608.5 million in the year ended April 30, 2021 from $427.6 million in the year ended April 30, 2020 and $271.7 million in the year ended April 30, 2019, representing year-over-year growth of 42% for the year ended April 30, 2021 and 57% for the year ended April 30, 2020

https://s2.q4cdn.com/265747582/files/doc_downloads/2021/Elas...

Revenue for FY2018 and 2017 was $160M and $88M respectively.

Is that what Amazon taking all their revenue looks like?

Re: Amazon Elasticsearch Service Is Now Amazon OpenSearch Service

#23
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the consequence of closed source. If Elasticsearch were still open source, then Amazon wouldn't have had any reason to do this. Elastic is getting exactly what they deserve.

If they would have been closed source from the get-go, Amazon would have had a far harder time cloning their product or even creating a service based on it to begin with. So yes, this is a consequence of them starting out open source.

If they would have been closed source from the get-go, they'd have even fewer customers than they do today with Amazon "stealing" all of them.

Re: Amazon Elasticsearch Service Is Now Amazon OpenSearch Service

#24
post #6

As far as I'm aware, this is the first major "hostile" fork AWS has done. In fact, it's probably one of the largest ones overall. It will be really interesting to see how this plays out in the long run.

It's good fodder for the antitrust suit.

Re: Amazon Elasticsearch Service Is Now Amazon OpenSearch Service

#25
While this is tangentially related to Amazon's fork of Elasticsearch, it's more related to Elastic's trademark infringement suit against AWS's use of the trademarked Elasticsearch name in their managed service, especially egregious given AWS's attempt to portray it as a "partnership" with Elastic in a since-deleted tweet:

https://mobile.twitter.com/ppgosavi/status/11791819009690378...

Re: Amazon Elasticsearch Service Is Now Amazon OpenSearch Service

#26

Remember that in this story, as strange as this is to say, Amazon is the good guy. Elastic changed their products from a FOSS license to a proprietary one, and Amazon did exactly what you're supposed to do in that case: fork and continue development of the last FOSS version.

>Amazon is the good guy

This is exactly what Amazon wants you to think. That's why they're calling it "OpenSearch" and not "AmazonSearch".

Re: Amazon Elasticsearch Service Is Now Amazon OpenSearch Service

#27
post #10

Remember that in this story, as strange as this is to say, Amazon is the good guy. Elastic changed their products from a FOSS license to a proprietary one, and Amazon did exactly what you're supposed to do in that case: fork and continue development of the last FOSS version.

They changed the license after Amazon took all their revenue.

Doesn't matter. If you don't have the courage for FOSS, don't do it. And you also won't get the good will FOSS gives you.

Re: Amazon Elasticsearch Service Is Now Amazon OpenSearch Service

#28

This is consequence of open source.

This is the consequence of closed source. If Elasticsearch were still open source, then Amazon wouldn't have had any reason to do this. Elastic is getting exactly what they deserve.

Open source didn't go far enough in this case. It should have mandated the platform itself - from the billing pieces, to the hardware imaging, user management, and more - was all entirely open source.

Re: Amazon Elasticsearch Service Is Now Amazon OpenSearch Service

#30
post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the consequence of closed source. If Elasticsearch were still open source, then Amazon wouldn't have had any reason to do this. Elastic is getting exactly what they deserve.

Open source didn't go far enough in this case. It should have mandated the platform itself - from the billing pieces, to the hardware imaging, user management, and more - was all entirely open source.

Open source can't do that, literally. Any license that tries to impose "copyleft" on the whole platform like that will necessarily fail to meet the Open Source Definition.
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