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Re: Spread of Delta variant driven by both immune escape and increased infectivity

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Post by forgotmypw17 » Wed, Sep 08, 2021, 5:22 PM UTC

clipradiowallet wrote: post #28

achenatx wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dumb people are going to want to go to covid parties to get infected naturally because it is better immunity.. Public health messages need to be kept simple. Natural immunity should be better because you are exposed to all the same proteins in the vaccine plus more and also possibly for a longer period of time and at a higher quantity. Now that you had delta, you should be immune to delta and partially immune to what…

> Dumb people are going to want to go to covid parties When I was a child, parents would inform other parents when a child had chickenpox; so they could have a sleepover. That was normal practice in the portion of the USA I grew up in. As a result, nearly everyone my age has natural immunity to chickenpox. I share that anecdote to point out that the idea of an "infection party" is a really old idea that was practiced…

Same has been common in other parts of the world.

Re: Spread of Delta variant driven by both immune escape and increased infectivity

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Post by poetaster » Wed, Sep 08, 2021, 5:22 PM UTC

geofft wrote: post #20

TheBlight wrote: post #2

I was told this is a pandemic of the unvaccinated.

By whom? It's a pandemic, it affects everyone. It's right there in the name. I'm fully vaccinated, and I spent half an hour at a bank yesterday (wearing an N95) and I'm voluntarily quarantining for two weeks. It's a deadly disease. It doesn't care about your PR slogans or your political alignment. It does care about transmission, which is why avoiding unnecessary trips, wearing real ventilators (not cloth masks, Fauc…

I have a professional cloth kn95 mask. It is MORE effective then the cheaper models, according to the technical u. In Berlin. The number of layers, 5 in this case, and anti viral agents contribute.

Re: Spread of Delta variant driven by both immune escape and increased infectivity

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Post by mikeyouse » Wed, Sep 08, 2021, 5:22 PM UTC

clipradiowallet wrote: post #28

achenatx wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dumb people are going to want to go to covid parties to get infected naturally because it is better immunity.. Public health messages need to be kept simple. Natural immunity should be better because you are exposed to all the same proteins in the vaccine plus more and also possibly for a longer period of time and at a higher quantity. Now that you had delta, you should be immune to delta and partially immune to what…

> Dumb people are going to want to go to covid parties When I was a child, parents would inform other parents when a child had chickenpox; so they could have a sleepover. That was normal practice in the portion of the USA I grew up in. As a result, nearly everyone my age has natural immunity to chickenpox. I share that anecdote to point out that the idea of an "infection party" is a really old idea that was practiced…

Right - but now there's a chickenpox vaccine, so you don't need to subject kids to the misery that is an actual case of chickenpox or to the rare outcomes where it's fatal or permanently disfiguring.

How fortunate are we now that within two years of Covid emerging, we have a similar vaccine that can prevent nearly all the suffering?

Re: Spread of Delta variant driven by both immune escape and increased infectivity

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Sep 08, 2021, 5:22 PM UTC

clipradiowallet wrote: post #28

achenatx wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dumb people are going to want to go to covid parties to get infected naturally because it is better immunity.. Public health messages need to be kept simple. Natural immunity should be better because you are exposed to all the same proteins in the vaccine plus more and also possibly for a longer period of time and at a higher quantity. Now that you had delta, you should be immune to delta and partially immune to what…

> Dumb people are going to want to go to covid parties When I was a child, parents would inform other parents when a child had chickenpox; so they could have a sleepover. That was normal practice in the portion of the USA I grew up in. As a result, nearly everyone my age has natural immunity to chickenpox. I share that anecdote to point out that the idea of an "infection party" is a really old idea that was practiced…

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Re: Spread of Delta variant driven by both immune escape and increased infectivity

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Post by syops » Wed, Sep 08, 2021, 5:24 PM UTC

_red wrote: post #12

syops wrote: post #7

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The virus mutates quickly so the vaccine can't be expected to be as effective at new variants compared to the variants it was designed to combat.

If thats true why the boosters? Or are you claiming the boosters have been upgraded with latest variants?

It’s easy to find the answer to your question. One does not have to deliberately wallow in ignorance.

Re: Spread of Delta variant driven by both immune escape and increased infectivity

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Post by achenatx » Wed, Sep 08, 2021, 5:25 PM UTC

Lammy wrote: post #48

achenatx wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dumb people are going to want to go to covid parties to get infected naturally because it is better immunity.. Public health messages need to be kept simple. Natural immunity should be better because you are exposed to all the same proteins in the vaccine plus more and also possibly for a longer period of time and at a higher quantity. Now that you had delta, you should be immune to delta and partially immune to what…

> Dumb people How did we get to the point where we have to act like other humans are mentally inferior/incapable just for experiencing reality in their own unique way if it differs from our own? e: me irl https://i.imgur.com/is5pp8k.gif

in the olden days dumb people just died and didnt reproduce. We have overcome a lot of natural selection so there are likely many more dumb people than in the past.

We all share the same reality that you have a .5% chance of dying from covid. If you choose not to take lifesaving vaccinations then you are dumb, especially if you are in a high risk category where the risk of death is 1-5%

Im not at all in favor of mandatory vaccinations.

Re: Spread of Delta variant driven by both immune escape and increased infectivity

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Post by BenjiWiebe » Wed, Sep 08, 2021, 5:27 PM UTC

clipradiowallet wrote: post #28

achenatx wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dumb people are going to want to go to covid parties to get infected naturally because it is better immunity.. Public health messages need to be kept simple. Natural immunity should be better because you are exposed to all the same proteins in the vaccine plus more and also possibly for a longer period of time and at a higher quantity. Now that you had delta, you should be immune to delta and partially immune to what…

> Dumb people are going to want to go to covid parties When I was a child, parents would inform other parents when a child had chickenpox; so they could have a sleepover. That was normal practice in the portion of the USA I grew up in. As a result, nearly everyone my age has natural immunity to chickenpox. I share that anecdote to point out that the idea of an "infection party" is a really old idea that was practiced…

Adult cases are not fatal by a large majority. The highest number I could find said that adults were 25 times more likely to die from chickenpox than children.

I found a death rate of 21 per 100000 adult cases. That's not a majority. [0]

Also, it's better to never get chickenpox at all, as shingles is very painful. Shingles is the reactivation of the chickenpox virus. If you've ever had chickenpox, you are at risk of shingles.

[0]: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/varicella.html

Re: Spread of Delta variant driven by both immune escape and increased infectivity

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Post by AzzieElbab » Wed, Sep 08, 2021, 5:27 PM UTC

The virus is here to stay, vaccines or no vaccines. We need to learn to treat it effectively or accept vaccine boosters every 6 months

Re: Spread of Delta variant driven by both immune escape and increased infectivity

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Post by cogman10 » Wed, Sep 08, 2021, 5:28 PM UTC

meheleventyone wrote: post #13

gfodor wrote: post #8

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There is presently to my understanding a lot of claims of severity reduction, but I would like to see evidence and an explanation for it. My working model is that a consistent alternative explanation is the vaccine reduces infection risk dramatically but once infected severity can be the same.

Lower hospitalization rates amongst the vaccinated seem to suggest less people are getting seriously ill.

Which is an important point. While the vaccinated are still getting COVID, and even sometimes ending up in the ICU, they very often aren't ending up hospitalized or in the ICU. The vast majority of ICU patients are unvaccinated [1].

[1] https://www.ncdhhs.gov/news/press-releases/2021/08/27/adult-...

Re: Spread of Delta variant driven by both immune escape and increased infectivity

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Post by achenatx » Wed, Sep 08, 2021, 5:29 PM UTC

cloakandswagger wrote: post #45

achenatx wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dumb people are going to want to go to covid parties to get infected naturally because it is better immunity.. Public health messages need to be kept simple. Natural immunity should be better because you are exposed to all the same proteins in the vaccine plus more and also possibly for a longer period of time and at a higher quantity. Now that you had delta, you should be immune to delta and partially immune to what…

> Public health messages need to be kept simple. By simple you mean, dishonest? People aren't as dumb as our betters believe. They pick up on obvious lies ("stop buying masks" => "everyone must wear a mask"), dishonesty ("ivermectin is for animals") and inconsistencies that fly in the face of intuition ("even if you had covid you still need the vaccination"). If the powers that be would stop trying to "shape human be…

I agree that the public health messaging has quite a number of statements that may not be true. But they may not be false either. Instead of lies, scientists are erring on the side of caution for what they do know.

I agree that sanctimonious public health and politicians have created a lot of distrust. Their messaging is condescending, manipulative, and generates the direct opposite of what they are trying to achieve.