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> Oh I bet you use that same dipshit logic This amount of disrespect is unwarranted. > when discussing homeless people being told to move somewhere cheaper. What an absolutely insane whataboutism. This has nothing to do with what we're discussing and you look like a joke. You're asserting that vaccine passports infringe upon your freedoms. Just don't go to those bars. Jesus.
What if the city like NY ordered ALL bars to stop you for your papers. Now you can't go to any bars. That hurts minorities the most as they are the most unvaccinated. Its new world segregation essentially. But yes those people could just pick up and move, and many are. Look at the numbers. Unfortunately many cannot because they aren't on a SWE salary.
20 years after 9/11: Will we ever stop taking our shoes off at airports?
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Funny how HN is so willing to agree with the absurdity of security theater at airports, yet so resistant to calling out the pandemic theater we're living every day.
Both have theater aspects and let me propose something: that's good. When you approach airport security (theater) you wonder what their capabilities are _today_. Are they sniffing the air at large with their GCMS? Is there going to be a dog today? Its intimidating to think of it as a theoretical attacker because of its large and multifaceted apparatus, which is part of its deterrent power. Masks are somewhat similar,…
Actually they did a study on the masks and proved effective.
It was done by picking a population of 350K, then separating them to test and control groups, encourage mask for the test group.
The results are that at 39% mask use in the test group the covid cases were %12 lower than the control group.
There was also a difference between surgical mask(%12) and cloth mask(%9) use.
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You're wasting your time. COVID deaths could be entirely amongst 97 year old obese smokers with stage 4 cancer and half the country would still give the same obtuse responses, call you granny-killer, tell you you're selfish for not wanting to wear a mask, say "pandemic" like it's a mic drop, etc etc etc. You'll be stuck in a COVID version of the "This amp goes to 11" conversation. It turns out that shocking people wi…
I disagree with you, even in your hypothetical situation. I'd gladly wear a mask to protect 97-year-old obese smokers, if they were a vulnerable group. I feel like you invented this group to distance the vulnerable population from "us", but it just makes it sound like you have no empathy for other humans.
There are people with severe immune deficiencies that any disease they catch could kill them.
Why aren't you wearing a full body haz mat suit to protect them?
Do you think people with immune deficiencies lives are worth less and its okay to kill them?
Where do you draw the line where it's okay to kill some people with your bodily diseases but not others?
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#594Earlier quoted context omitted.
What if the city like NY ordered ALL bars to stop you for your papers. Now you can't go to any bars. That hurts minorities the most as they are the most unvaccinated. Its new world segregation essentially. But yes those people could just pick up and move, and many are. Look at the numbers. Unfortunately many cannot because they aren't on a SWE salary.
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/04/08/9850327... It's not new.
Okay? What's your point? So was slavery.
The point is it violates rights now.
SHOW ME YOUR PAPERS!
(you guys are the nazis)
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Most people in 2021 would agree that the overzealous response to 9/11 caused untold suffering and misery. At the time though, either you were with us or against us. Good or evil. Are you sure that's the parallel you want to be drawing here? Might you have a different opinion about this event in, oh, say, a decade or two? By then of course the damage will have been done.
They are pretty different things, at pretty different times. We could make bad analogies all day long and end up at some very weird places. Like imagine that COVID was invisible Arab terrorists armed with a gas who killed 600,000+ Americans. I think the response and fear level would be very different. But it's a silly analogy and a real digression from thinking about 9/11 in its own context.
Like covid, the actions of invisible terrorists would be largely out of our control. It's unfortunate so many of us are unwilling to accept that.
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Except many, many more deaths in the case of Covid, and we don't have, thankfully, a federal Covid Corps to enforce any of the related policies...
Many deaths in a certain age group above 65 y.o.. Most age groups had very few deaths.
In the 18-39 age group, COVID-19 has caused 4x as many US deaths as deaths in all age groups on 9/11.
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What about relief pilots on long trips or in the event of incapacity? We could keep going I think: there are numerous downsides to maintaining an egress unreachable from the cabin and, given the ability to lock down existing doors, few superior benefits to justify it.
> What about relief pilots Well try to use your imagination - them and their sleeping compartment would also be in there. > or in the event of incapacity? Etc.
There’s not a lot of room for all that stuff.
Re: 20 years after 9/11: Will we ever stop taking our shoes off at airports?
#598When I was last traveling, the person in front of me asked TSA agent "Why do we have to take our shoes off?" He replied, "Have you heard of the shoe bomber?" When I think about it, that's a crazy policy to have since it only happened once (and it didn't even work). If we follow that sort of logic we should be wearing masks every time we fly. It's just a bizarre policy.
> If we follow that sort of logic we should be wearing masks every time we fly. We do wear masks every time we fly nowadays. Or maybe that was your point?
Sorry. Forever. We had an incident once, and we now have to follow guidelines to that incident forever. Wearing masks now is appropriate.
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#599Earlier quoted context omitted.
Many deaths in a certain age group above 65 y.o.. Most age groups had very few deaths.
In the 18-39 age group, COVID-19 has caused 4x as many US deaths as deaths in all age groups on 9/11.
Yet not as many as car accidents in 2019.
What is sensational comparison you present.
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https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/04/08/9850327... It's not new.
Okay? What's your point? So was slavery. The point is it violates rights now. SHOW ME YOUR PAPERS! (you guys are the nazis)
What rights? Businesses have the right to refuse service. Governments have always required vaccine verification. This is just whining. There are no rights implications here.
Also calling me a nazi isn't really appropriate, I don't think.