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20 years after 9/11: Will we ever stop taking our shoes off at airports?

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Re: 20 years after 9/11: Will we ever stop taking our shoes off at airports?

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Post by rootusrootus »

spamizbad wrote: post #532
jaywalk wrote: post #485

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Most airline passengers can already trade $85 every five years for pre-9/11 security screenings. They simply choose not to.

it gets expensive and annoying if you're traveling with your family.

Most of the time (100% for me so far) you just have to have pre-check for whomever is buying the tickets. As long as they're all on the same reservation ID, the pre-check will get applied to the entire group. That's how I got my first taste of pre-check, when my sister-in-law bought tickets for our entire family. I ended up buying it for myself, and now my wife & kids get the stamp as well when we're traveling together.

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Post by hunterb123 »

duxup wrote: post #517
hunterb123 wrote: post #489

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> When I think of getting a vaccine... I just do it as a part of normal life That's exactly my point. You aren't thinking, you're just following. > What happened to thinking of other people? My point as well. It's the same "think of the children" argument that was being discussed above. That itself is not a reason. People have immunity. The curve is flattened, the goal posts have been moved out of the stadium.

What does any of that mean? You're talking about "aren't thinking" but most of your posts just involve nebulous throw away phrases like "People have immunity"... clearly you know that phrase doesn't mean anything right? In the meantime we can all see for ourselves actual impact, real things, in areas where vaccination rates are low. These aren't nebulous concepts like your phrases, they're real.

Real things? Please point to the real things.

Case numbers! Case numbers! Hospital rates are NEARLY at capacity!!!!

Yeah that has been said over and over. Things are fine.

Go outside of the city, noone respects this stuff and hasn't the whole time, noone is dying more than usual.

Worry about cars and obesity if you want to make a difference.

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Post by woofie11 »

sidlls wrote: post #438
woofie11 wrote: post #191

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Asthma attacks are not uncommon in response to dog dander. Those can be life-threatening, but can be managed with albuterol. 30 seconds with Google will turn up countless documented instances. Anaphylaxis is a very rare response to animal dander, but there have been a few documented instances: https://www.petful.com/misc/can-pet-allergies-kill-me/ What's amazing is the number of dog owners who don't believe in dog al…

Countless documented instances of asthma induced by the dander of drug/bomb sniffing dogs or just dogs in general? I have asthma and have occasionally reacted to animal dander—but never in an airport or other location due to service animals.

I don't think there is a database of allergic reactions people have had. They just happen and people move on. If the question is narrow enough, e.g., "Has there ever been anaphylaxis in response to a dog named Woofers jumping on a 12-year-old girl in New York's Central Park?" the answer will be "No."

However, there have been plenty of instances of severe asthmatic reactions to dogs in situations in all relevant respects similar to drug/bomb-sniffing animals. And I've seen plenty of allergic reactions to service animals.

People react to different amounts of allergens. For some, it requires direct contact. For others, it's enough to be in vaguely the same room.

Service animals are tougher, since both sides have a disability and medical need. Police dogs should be easier, if not for police generally being power-hungry thugs.

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Post by mrtksn »

hunterb123 wrote: post #538
mrtksn wrote: post #493

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Talk to your local lockdown provider if you are not happy with the results. Done properly, of course a lockdown would be effective. Why? Because of the Germ theory. The viruses exist and they don't teleport. If anything, I would have much preferred if we had a month of global lockdown instead of years of slow burn battle. We wouldn't have had to convince people for vaccination too. It worked for Wuhan.

No, locking down for an indoor virus is stupid. Vitamin D and open air works, not lock downs.

I am all in for spreading the population sparsely under the sun for a month(I'll take the Greece beaches or the French Riviera). We can make the immunes ones prepare the food and bring the beer.

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Post by selimthegrim »

wing-_-nuts wrote: post #464
bakuninsbart wrote: post #405

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There's nothing hypothetical about it. I'm actually baffled at the fact that people here infer random motivations when Usama bin Laden gave interviews as far back as the early 90s and held multiple speeches after 9/11. The stated goal of the attacks was to show Americans that their continuous war and support for secular dictators in the Muslim world would come with high cost, and to force the American government to r…

It's funny, but in a way, he accomplished his goal of getting us out of the middle east. Our weariness with our involvement in the middle east has caused a big push for energy independence. We fracked our way back to being the worlds largest oil producer. That, and our transition to a greener economy is bad news for middle eastern oil producers. We're much more willing to leave the entire region to their own miserabl…

Anand Gopal’s article in the New Yorker this month shows how the Afghan Army (including the media darling Sami Sadat) was wasting civilians in Helmand using the vaunted Black Hawks we gave them and calling it progress.

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Post by snowwrestler »

hunterb123 wrote: post #476
mrtksn wrote: post #465

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The existence of the pandemic is a very observable and testable. The ways to combat the pandemic are also well known and tested. How a person can deny the existence of something that can test it personally?

Yeah lockdowns were super well tested and worked wonders /s No, they cratered the middle class while making the rich richer. Now they know not to lock down to destroy the economy but instead push to destroy personal freedoms.

The last state lockdown orders expired in June 2020. Most lasted on the order of a few weeks.

The economy is not destroyed. Assets are appreciating, GDP is growing faster than it has in a decade and employers are desperate to find workers. The unemployment rate is near 5%.

If there is a weak spot in the economy, it is that rising case numbers of the Delta variant are causing people to voluntarily limit their in-person activities. When you ask business leaders what can help the economy, they say “more people getting vaccinated” because it’s the fastest way to reduce new COVID cases.

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Post by _6pvr »

isoskeles wrote: post #518
duxup wrote: post #416

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Thinking of other people and getting a vaccine and going on with your life without much of any impact seems like a very low bar.

Except now I’m supposed to show a digital vaccine record many places I go. Not many open source options exist for reading them either, so I’m just supposed to trust that the data (name, birth date, maybe location) isn’t being sent to some marketing analytics company somewhere. Edit: Since some HN commenters want to play disingenuous games and insert words into my mouth, I’ll clarify my specific problem is with these…

> Except now I’m supposed to show a digital vaccine record many places I go. Not many open source options exist for reading them either, so I’m just supposed to trust that the data (name, birth date, maybe location) isn’t being sent to some marketing analytics company somewhere.

If you think vaccine passports are bad just wait until you hear about all phones...

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Post by hunterb123 »

mrtksn wrote: post #545
hunterb123 wrote: post #538

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No, locking down for an indoor virus is stupid. Vitamin D and open air works, not lock downs.

I am all in for spreading the population sparsely under the sun for a month(I'll take the Greece beaches or the French Riviera). We can make the immunes ones prepare the food and bring the beer.

Well that's a large swing in the other direction, but I enjoy the hyperbole. You do realize lockdowns are the far other direction though? Do you see my point why lockdowns were bad?

Allowing and encouraging people to go outside is the happy medium.

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Post by dr_dshiv »

noetic_techy wrote: post #47

I'll take it a step further. We need a total paradigm redesign of airports. Imagine and airport designed to the point where you can literally drive up (or be dropped by an autonomous vehicle) 10 minutes before your flight, Throw your luggage onto a belt where a robot auto tags it based on your a facial recognition algorithm, and walk through an unobtrusive security point that's totally AI driven, and walk direct to y…

This reminds me of "portal travel." It's a half-joke, based on the vision of walking through a portal and showing up at your destination. Of course that's impossible, but...

Imagine a portal showing up outside your house, maybe on the back of a truck. It's got all the theater: the wavy green lights, smoke, the whole deal. You wave good bye to your family, walk in, and then you get chloroformed and pass out. Your body is loaded into a standardized life support container and driven to the airport. Then, you get revived 6 hours later at your hotel so you can take a shower.

Ok, so there are some details to work out but the point is that the typical air travel experience is so terrible it would be better to be unconscious for most of it. Portal travel!

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