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WHO: Covid will mutate like the flu and is likely here to stay

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Re: WHO: Covid will mutate like the flu and is likely here to stay

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Post by lithos »

luxuryballs wrote: post #7

now is the time to begin the segregation of society between those who only trust the government ordained science and those who don’t trust their new overlords, we will slowly expand the places that require vaccine passports until over a long enough timeline all these pesky doubters and individualists are finally excluded from our systems, only those who faithfully trust our politically chosen experts and submit to hu…

Was going to happen eventually anyways, especially after brain augmentation becomes becomes effective. Which sort of already exists, since there aren’t too many jobs left where you’re hireable without a cellphone.

Re: WHO: Covid will mutate like the flu and is likely here to stay

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Post by m0llusk »

Influenza virus has a structure that makes mutations easy with mixing and matching common in hosts. Coronavirus has built in error checking and functions by generating a large protein that is split up to assemble new virus. This means that the rate and scale of mutation will always be less than influenza, though the assertion that it will stay and be endemic is almost certainly true.

Re: WHO: Covid will mutate like the flu and is likely here to stay

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Post by swader999 »

luxuryballs wrote: post #7

now is the time to begin the segregation of society between those who only trust the government ordained science and those who don’t trust their new overlords, we will slowly expand the places that require vaccine passports until over a long enough timeline all these pesky doubters and individualists are finally excluded from our systems, only those who faithfully trust our politically chosen experts and submit to hu…

Replace Jews with Unvaxinated: "On November 9-10, 1938, Nazi legislation barred Jews from all public schools and universities, as well as from cinemas, theaters, and sports facilities. In many cities, Jews were forbidden to enter designated “Aryan” zones. The government required Jews to identify themselves in ways that would permanently separate them from the rest of the population." https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/antisemiti...

Re: WHO: Covid will mutate like the flu and is likely here to stay

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Post by Tagbert »

AzzieElbab wrote: post #8
zethus wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you implying that the WHO's statements in the first few months of 2020 removes the credibility of the claim that the pandemic did not to be this bad? I'm with you that it should have been sooner than March 11, 2020 to declare COVID-19 as a pandemic, but the response of almost every country in the world in following year was lackluster at best to prevent widespread mutation opportunities.

I think you are both saying the same thing, which is the WHO bares large portion of blame for letting the virus develop into perpetual pandemic, and so do most of the our governments

… and, due to the nature of this type of virus, no human efforts to control it would have been fully effective. We can throw blame around and, in hind sight, we can see how many agencies and people could have acted differently and it might have had some affect but ultimately this pandemic was already underway and anything short of 100% lockdown enforced by armed guards would not stop it.

Re: WHO: Covid will mutate like the flu and is likely here to stay

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Post by TrevorJ »

hajile wrote: post #5

Hasn't this been the obvious answer for almost two years now? The disease transmits to a huge pool of animals where it can mutate and transmit back. That alone is a problem too big for people to solve.

You would think so, but I have yet to see any evidence that public policy has shifted to deal with this reality. Notably absent is any messaging around things people can do to lower their incidence of severe symptoms, such as getting vitamin D levels checked, and maintaining a healthy weight.

Re: WHO: Covid will mutate like the flu and is likely here to stay

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Post by TrevorJ »

m0llusk wrote: post #12

Influenza virus has a structure that makes mutations easy with mixing and matching common in hosts. Coronavirus has built in error checking and functions by generating a large protein that is split up to assemble new virus. This means that the rate and scale of mutation will always be less than influenza, though the assertion that it will stay and be endemic is almost certainly true.

The data seem to indicate this is not the case.

Re: WHO: Covid will mutate like the flu and is likely here to stay

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Post by unmole »

swader999 wrote: post #13
luxuryballs wrote: post #7

now is the time to begin the segregation of society between those who only trust the government ordained science and those who don’t trust their new overlords, we will slowly expand the places that require vaccine passports until over a long enough timeline all these pesky doubters and individualists are finally excluded from our systems, only those who faithfully trust our politically chosen experts and submit to hu…

Replace Jews with Unvaxinated: "On November 9-10, 1938, Nazi legislation barred Jews from all public schools and universities, as well as from cinemas, theaters, and sports facilities. In many cities, Jews were forbidden to enter designated “Aryan” zones. The government required Jews to identify themselves in ways that would permanently separate them from the rest of the population." https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/co…

Could Jews attain Aryan status by taking shots?

Re: WHO: Covid will mutate like the flu and is likely here to stay

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Post by xyzzy21 »

Well duh.

This is what all Coronavirus species do and have done for millennia. The idea that COVID could be "conquered" and eliminated is about as stupid as thinking Prohibition of alcohol cold ever work, the War on Drugs could ever work, or the War on Terror could ever work. At best hubris and Dunning-Kruger; at worst pro-totalitarian scare tactics.

Re: WHO: Covid will mutate like the flu and is likely here to stay

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Post by xyzzy21 »

benlumen wrote: post #2

“We had a chance in the beginning of this pandemic,” Maria Van Kerkhove, the WHO’s technical lead on Covid-19, said Tuesday. “This pandemic did not need to be this bad.” Like in February 2020 when the WHO was downplaying the risk on a daily basis? Do they think we don't remember? They are absolutely culpable. I distinctly remember Tedros preaching that "racism" (questions about China) was more dangerous than the viru…

No that quote is 100% wrong scientifically and logistically.

But we humans, even today, often compare ourselves to Gods with infinite power even though that is no where close to possible.

Re: WHO: Covid will mutate like the flu and is likely here to stay

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Post by AzzieElbab »

Tagbert wrote: post #14
AzzieElbab wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you are both saying the same thing, which is the WHO bares large portion of blame for letting the virus develop into perpetual pandemic, and so do most of the our governments

… and, due to the nature of this type of virus, no human efforts to control it would have been fully effective. We can throw blame around and, in hind sight, we can see how many agencies and people could have acted differently and it might have had some affect but ultimately this pandemic was already underway and anything short of 100% lockdown enforced by armed guards would not stop it.

that was pretty much the idea behind original lockdown but no rapid testing or red/green zoning got implemented.
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