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"Unpopular ideas can be silenced, and inconvenient facts kept dark, without the need for any official ban. Anyone who has lived long in a foreign country will know of instances of sensational items of news—things which on their own merits would get the big headlines—being kept right out of the British press, not because the Government intervened but because of a general tacit agreement that ‘it wouldn’t do’ to mentio…

Yes, exactly. The outrage and cognitive dissonance that people experience when they see the censorship happening these days can only happen because they actually believed the propaganda about free speech.

Ohohohohoho.

How adorable! You think "propaganda" is anything more than a post-hoc reactionary label often applied by those afraid of the outcome of widespread espousal of a controversial idea.

Yes, it exists. Yes, people are far more vulnerable to it than anyone thinks they are. Free Speech, however, is an ideal exactly in that we often in reality fail to attain it, but nevertheless should strive to.

Without the ability to articulate that which is ugly and repugnant to the common sensibility, one is divested of the capability of immunizing oneself from being led astray by someone already too far gone.

We should protect the ability to speak monstrous things that we are not intellectually blinded to their existence. For they will arise whether we talk about them in polite company or not.

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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post #428

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illegal activity is a phrase that covers things that are actually wrong, and increasingly, things that we are told are wrong by our betters. How much of the “over half” is the former and how much is the latter?

Given that CSA, human trafficking, etc. and political extremism were/are rife on Tor, I would say that just because you bought some weed from Tor, doesn't make it a paradise

I don't smoke weed. What was your point?

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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post #169

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Everyone always seems happy to carve out their own exceptions to freedom of expression. Freedom, except for racism. Freedom, except for transgenderism. Freedom, except for porn. Freedom, except for violence. Freedom, except for political dissent or mis-gendering or the promotion or criticism of a religion. As someone who falls near the middle on most issues I probably detest a larger percentage of speakers than anyon…

Okay, but how do you reconcile that with the fact that hate speech and propaganda has been a part of almost all atrocities ever done in the past? Or put some other way, how do you reconcile that your freedom can be affected by someone's else's freedom? Like what if I use my freedom to turn others against you and have them hate you and berate you and bully you and ridicule you and refute you, and potentially have them…

I would posit there's little correlation between hate speech laws and hate crimes.

For example, the United States has no hate speech laws. In 2017 there were 2,024 anti-Semitic incidents in the United States. Germany has very strong hate speech laws, both applying to private citizens and obligating online networks to censor them. In 2020 there were 2,032 anti-Semitic hate crimes in Germany. Despite restrictions on hate speech, Germany has four times the per-capita anti-Jewish hate crimes as the US, a country with no hate speech laws.

How about the UK? They have strong hate speech laws. You can get arrested there for teaching a dog the Nazi salute. In 2018 there were 1,201 Islamophobic attacks in the UK. Despite having a rabidly Islamophobic president at the time, the US only had 223. That's over twenty-six times the per-capita Islamophobic hate crime rate.

Citations:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/816732/number-of-anti-se...

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/germanys-laws-ant...

https://thehill.com/regulation/international/499762-anti-sem...

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jul/20/record-numbe...

https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2019/topic-pages/victims

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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post #427

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Your freedom of speech does not extend to yelling “FIRE!!!” in a crowded theater. Your freedom of speech does not extend to inciting a riot. There are obvious limits to “free speech”.

Actually, it does extend to yelling "fire!" in a crowded theater. That is entirely legal, at least in the United States.

No, it doesn't. Went to the Supreme Court, and that is not free speech. "the phrase "shouting fire in a crowded theater" has become synonymous with speech that, because of its danger of provoking violence, is not protected by the First Amendment."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shouting_fire_in_a_crowded_the...

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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post #427

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Actually, it does extend to yelling "fire!" in a crowded theater. That is entirely legal, at least in the United States.

No, it doesn't. Went to the Supreme Court, and that is not free speech. "the phrase "shouting fire in a crowded theater" has become synonymous with speech that, because of its danger of provoking violence, is not protected by the First Amendment." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shouting_fire_in_a_crowded_the...

> Went to the Supreme Court, and that is not free speech.

No, it didn't go to the Supreme Court.

> "the phrase "shouting fire in a crowded theater" has become synonymous with speech that, because of its danger of provoking violence, is not protected by the First Amendment."

While the phrase may be used that way, its referencing nonbinding dicta (expressions in a ruling that are not germane to the decision rule for the case actually before the court) that does not reflect preexisting law from a case that has since been almost entirely overruled and is widely recognized as being an aberration that (in its actual binding holding) allowed extensive government regulation of core protected political speech.

It reflects neither the law before the decision, the binding case law created by the decision, nor the state of the law after the decision was rejected.

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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Communicating which rule the video broke could be done without an employee in the loop.

> Communicating which rule the video broke could be done without an employee in the loop. Potentially, though another consideration the algorithm implementers have is to make it difficult to "game" them. If it provides feedback, you make it easier for someone to figure out what will slip through and subvert the it.

This is why algorithm creators are as guilty as any executive that comes up is with stupidity like this. What happens to executives should happen to algorithm writers!

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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post #363

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If this is true there are several very large youtubers that are running illegal sweepstakes. Jake and Logan Paul for example.

How do you know those sweepstakes are illegal? Have you verified that the Paul brothers either have bad legal teams or no legal teams?

How does an algorithm known TLE was illegal without holding a law degree and position on a state bar??

They don't and thus have no more legal authority to "know/id" illegality than they have to "know/id" legality.

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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post #364
post #261

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If true, the channel owner was trying to game the system to make their channel look like it was more popular than it really was. An analogy would be like a TV host telling the audience to watch the show on five televisions so that they would get a higher Nielsen ratings and then get more money from advertisers. No TV network or advertiser would be happy about that. In other words, if this is what was really happening…

Sweetwater is not "getting away with it." They have verified legal clearance, and the owner of linux experience does not. Your concerns about "scamming" aren't relevant. Many of YouTube's most popular channels do this sort of contest, and there is no hard ban on this type of thing.

PROVE this! I'm calling 100% BS!

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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No, it was prescribed by his doctor. Which brings up another point: some pharmacies are refusing to fill it, even when prescribed by a doctor. If you want to place the blame for people getting "horse dewormer", such pharmacies deserve part of the blame.

Too bad most of the people who want horse dewormer were the same people who wanted the "pharmacist conscience" laws that allow pharmacists to deny their veterinary prescriptions. Who would have thought that such a law would come back to bite them.

Since you dodged the question, it's worth asking again.

The complaint, stated by sprafa, is: "Look at the recent articles about Joe Rogan, they couldn’t stop themselves."

... to which you responded, ignoring the complaint and doubling down, right before kicking it up a notch with a personal attack/shameless attempt to strawman ("I bet you get mad at the news for[...] right?").

So did Rogan literally buy and eat something from a package that says "horse dewormer" or not?

Re: The Linux Experiments YouTube channel has been terminated

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No. The Rolling Stone debacle literally just happened. The idea "most of the story" is traced backed to one bad article, from two days ago, when it's been a story for over a month is ridiculous nut-picking.

Ahem, I believe that's "nitpicking". b^)

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Nutpicking
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