Get TSA precheck
Cheapest way is with a Nexus card I believe. Great program.
It's also free to US Service members and DoD civilians.
20 years after 9/11: Will we ever stop taking our shoes off at airports?
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Re: 20 years after 9/11: Will we ever stop taking our shoes off at airports?
#442Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It would be far more effective to do something at the gates dude to the density of humanity Maybe it is about shifting the blame. If something happens outside, it's the police failure but if something happens inside it is venue management failure. Anyway, I completely agree that we have given up way too much in the name of security. If it's not the terrorist, then it is "think of the children" scare and we are abou…
The new thing is "think of grandma". Say delta variant enough and you can get anyone to give up anything. Post covid is like post 9/11. This is the new normal. Vaccine passports and all.
Funny how HN is so willing to agree with the absurdity of security theater at airports, yet so resistant to calling out the pandemic theater we're living every day.
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#443Earlier quoted context omitted.
There have been clear excess deaths (mortality rate increases) from all causes combined during waves. Most evaluations of excess deaths that I've seen conclude that Covid deaths are undercounted not over counted.
They didn’t cite excess deaths however. Hence my question Again, you say “covid deaths”. That is not precise.
We count flu deaths as 'with flu' instead of 'from flu', so counting covid this way keeps it as close to apples-to-apples as possible.
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#444Earlier quoted context omitted.
Then how would pilots do things humans need to do, like go the restroom or eat (on prolonged flights)?
> Then how would pilots do things humans need to do, like go the restroom or eat (on prolonged flights)? With a bathroom on their side of the door, and a packed lunch.
What about relief pilots on long trips or in the event of incapacity?
We could keep going I think: there are numerous downsides to maintaining an egress unreachable from the cabin and, given the ability to lock down existing doors, few superior benefits to justify it.
Re: 20 years after 9/11: Will we ever stop taking our shoes off at airports?
#445Earlier quoted context omitted.
In your opinion, how important are the lives of people aged 65 and older? Also, for death rates being higher in the elderly... isn't that going to be true for most diseases? Pointing this out seems tautological to me. And what does "very few" actually mean here? Is death the only negative outcome of COVID-19?
> In your opinion, how important are the lives of people aged 65 and older? I think you intended that as a rhetorical question but I want to point out that in the UK the NHS has calculated the "worth" of a single quality-adjusted life year. If a treatment gives less quality-adjusted extra life years than it costs, it isn't administered. In 2014 it was £20-60k [1]. This shows the NHS definitely does consider older peo…
Understood, though I'd point out that other insurance schemes will have similar sorts of calculations (either directly or indirectly in the form of premiums/annual limits in the US), so the specificity of the NHS isn't particularly helpful here, as it's one model among many.
Also, based on my casual skimming of this article: https://www.nice.org.uk/process/pmg6/chapter/assessing-cost-..., this particular model evaluates other factors beyond age (such as health history) and is in the context of providing specific treatments for specific conditions rather than broader actions for disease prevention.
But yes, my question was rhetorical, in the sense that I've read far too much casual acceptance of the deaths of older people on HN, as if this ~15% of the population [in the US at least] are freely expendable.
Re: 20 years after 9/11: Will we ever stop taking our shoes off at airports?
#446Earlier quoted context omitted.
Again you are you writing off the 300 people on a train and the 4000 aboard a cruise ship.
I'm not writing anyone off, I'm only stating the fact that it is virtually impossible to use ships and trains for terrorist purposes.
In what world is taking possession of a ship/train using violence and offing everybody on board not terrorism?
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#447Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Now, we will likely add further controls on travel in the form of digital health passports with infinitely more possibility for government mischief. How do you see digital health passports as having infinitely more possibility for govt mischief? Right now TSA has the ability to treat you like a criminal if they think you looked at them funny. The health passport "mischief" seems more along the lines of "you don't h…
Well, YOU may not have a problem complying with every government mandated health intervention required of you to travel, but others might. Oddly, lots of people on HN seem not to view compulsion as a form of force when it's cloaked in paternalism, while at the same time believing the most indirect forms of social influence as oppressive forms of institutional violence if the 'right' people are impacted. Putting that…
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Re: 20 years after 9/11: Will we ever stop taking our shoes off at airports?
#448Earlier quoted context omitted.
The new thing is "think of grandma". Say delta variant enough and you can get anyone to give up anything. Post covid is like post 9/11. This is the new normal. Vaccine passports and all.
Funny how HN is so willing to agree with the absurdity of security theater at airports, yet so resistant to calling out the pandemic theater we're living every day.
Probably because we can't see much evidence of airport security doing anything.
And vaccines and etc are backed by science?
Re: 20 years after 9/11: Will we ever stop taking our shoes off at airports?
#449I mean you can do TSA PreCheck and then only 10% of the time you have to take your shoes off.
Re: 20 years after 9/11: Will we ever stop taking our shoes off at airports?
#450Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The parallels between COVID and our post-9/11 reaction are eerie. I don't see the same parallels. After 9/11 the US was extraordinarily united and committed to vengeance. Thousands joined the military. After COVID we're more divided than ever and people are not even willing put a piece of cloth on their faces. Widespread denial and resistance to anything inconveniencing them. Whereas after 9/11 people were willing…
Putting on cloth masks doesn't produce a statistically significant decrease in symptomatic infection rates. https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2021/09/surgical-mask...
> This aligns with lab tests showing that surgical masks have better filtration than cloth masks. However, cloth masks did reduce the overall likelihood of experiencing symptoms of respiratory illness during the study period.
What is it that you think you read in this article? What you have said is not supported in any way by the link you have provided.